Intersex athlete Francine Niyonsaba wins again - 14:25!!

Jimmkner wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

"Her" testosterone levels exceed the IAAF guidelines. By definition that is intersex (or trans gender - and she is not that).

Please provide EVIDENCE or STFU!

The evidence that she cannot compete in events from the 400m to the mile, which is what the rule applies to, because she has refused to lower her testosterone levels. Hence, she is no longer running her favoured event, the 800. You probably never noticed that since most that is relevant completely escapes you.

Again you have provided no evidence that she is intersex. No wonder you failed as a barrister.

Sifan Hassan is no fool. I checked the entries list for the Diamond League finals. Hassan has chosen to race against Kipyegon at 1500 rather than the 5000 versus Niyonsaba.

Absolutely the correct decision, IMO. Hassan has lost decisively to Kipyeon recently but the series record is only 8-6 in favor of Kipyegon, and more importantly Hassan knows what she is facing. If she wears out Kipyegon on the turn it will mean something, instead of merely a tease delaying tactic by Niyonsaba

I'm sorry, but how can anyone provide any evidence if any test result can't be disclosed due to legal/privacy reasons (which is btw something i really don't understand, we all undergo tests to be able to participate in sport events and those are public, and so do antidoping tests)? It's exactly like it was for Semenya: for almost a decade South African officials claimed she was "a woman with naturally high level of testosterone", then IAAF created the regulation for 400-mile which is basically applicable only to 46XY DSDs, and Semenya was banned from certain events. Did they use the argument "i'm not 46XY DSD, i can prove it", or "i fight for my human rights, i feel a woman, i must be able to run against women no matter my level of testosterone"? For me, the fact that those athletes are banned from those competitions based on the current regulation - and they simply take it and move to another distance - is in itself the evidence you're looking for.

Sure but the clown is demanding evidence for Mutola which also is not able to be provided.

Jimmkner wrote:

Please provide irrefutable proof about the science which PROVES that Christine Mboma is intersex. I am waiting.

Banned from running 400.

The rest is confidential.

Thanks for your contribution, really valuable. There's only one option left in my opinion to remove all uncertainty: make again the test mandatory to compete in female events, and disclose the result (like it's done for anti-doping) in case the test result prevents people from competing in female sport. The alternative is setting rules - same for all events - that are based on the level of testosterone and the ability for the body to use it, which is a direct consequence of the type of 46XY DSD a person has. As i wrote already a couple of times, i'm in favour of that, but i'd like expets to confirm that the advantage given by long-time production of testosterone and its consequence on the human body is somehow cancelled from the moment the level of testosterone is artificially lowered. That said, i totally agree with you tjhat many people have lied for years, taking advantage of missing or unclear regulations. And that's why in the last couple of years i lost some empathy towards Semenya and others, although i respect the difficult situation they have for sure gone through as persons.

Jimmkner wrote:

Again you have provided no evidence that she is intersex. No wonder you failed as a barrister.

So much explain why she can't compete in events from the 400 to the mile? To take a place in a jury requires a very basic level of intelligence. That clearly rules you out.

Armstronglivs wrote:

Jimmkner wrote:

Again you have provided no evidence that she is intersex. No wonder you failed as a barrister.

So explain why she can't compete in events from the 400 to the mile? To take a place on a jury requires a very basic level of intelligence. That clearly rules you out.

Your stupid butt has been kicked all over the thread by the series of posts above. You need to take a break.

She is the GOAT

Armstronglivs wrote:

Your stupid butt has been kicked all over the thread by the series of posts above. You need to take a break.

Every once in awhile you give yourself a good piece of advice but you fail to heed it.

Intersex is the future. 8 years in the White House, records on the track, we can't be stopped!

Armstronglivs wrote:

Your stupid butt has been kicked all over the thread by the series of posts above. You need to take a break.

Yes, he was 'owned' on the real Mboma thread, now argues about Mboma here...only to be owned again...

How stupid can you be.

Her recent run results and an article about them popped up on my Facebook feed today.

The general sentiment on Facebook (from the comments) is that she should be allowed to run any event since she identifies as a female. One commenter said even if she had a "penis and testicles" she should be allowed to run. Many apparently think it is all about self-identity. Of course, the article didn't mention her DSD (which given the arguments laid out here is a very strong inference).

I was shocked. At least here there were a lot of posts discussing the actual science behind a lot of this.

Another reason for staying off of Facebook.