Clapton goes insane - I am burning my Clapton albums

Yawn^9 wrote:

Just did a simple google source. MMR, tetanus, and hep b vaccines are very effective.

You out yourself as a covidiot when you use the flu vaccine as your defense.

You could look at literally any of my other posts on this thread to find out that I’m not a “Covidiot” and am extremely supportive of vaccination.

Someone else asked about the efficacy of the COVID-19 vaccines. I responded with a point of comparison — they’re way better than flu vaccines!

We’re in the weeds here, but the flu vaccine isn’t the worst comparison. (Idk where you get that I’m using the flu vaccine comparison as a “defense.” What am I defending? I support vaccination.) Both influenza and SARS-Cov-2 are rapidly mutating. If we had developed a COVID-19 vaccination using the same methods as a traditional flu vaccine, there’s a good chance we’d see similar efficacy.

It seems the whole point of the other posters message was that the Covid vaccine is more effective at preventing serious cases then it is against transmission. You felt the need to correct them and bring up the flu vaccine effectiveness.

You are correct l, the flu vaccine is less effective then the Covid vaccine. This doesn’t mean the Covid vaccine is good though. I can only assume you wanted to show how strong the Covid one is by comparing it to a weaker one. Bigger picture though the Covid vaccine really isn’t that impressive and to the other posters point, doesn’t appear good at stopping transmission.

Wow, this has gotten a lot of traction!

Here's a thought:

Why is it that a notorious former intravenous drug user goes for years and years shooting up illegal narcotics, the same narcotics that have become a pandemic in their own right, and that is just viewed as business as usual.

But when he gets side effects for two weeks from a vaccination that is undisputably saving thousands if not millions of lives, it gets so much coverage?

The guy is a f'g reformed junkie. And one on the tail end of his career. This is not the big story, in that context.

He needs to shut the hell up. Or we need to put this in context as one man's opinion that flies in the face of reason.

LOL — who’s the “Covidiot” now?https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2021/08/study-ties-covid-vaccines-lower-transmission-rates

Overall, the researchers say adjusted vaccine effectiveness (aVE) for fully vaccinated household contacts after confirmed exposure was 75% and 79% for other close contacts (95% CIs, 72% to 78% and 74% to 83%, respectively).

I think I’ll put one of my numerous Clapton albums on. Meanwhile, the OP can check his watch.

Heroin addict exposes the health dangers of Covid vaccine; more at 10!

NotPC wrote:

Rage For Corporate Profits wrote:

rofl, remember when Rock and Roll used to be about rebellion?

Rage Against The Machine has gone from 'F)ck you, I won't do what you tell me!' to 'Please Government mandate that we all take Big Pharmas 2nd Booster jab!'

LOL

Rage Against the Machine... posers and fools.

'F)ck you, I won't do what you tell me!'.....(but I will be willing to sign this multimillion dollar record deal with a major label.)

They were always just playing a role.

TBF right before the meeting with the producers someone told them to "Keep it real and never sell out!". So they stayed congruent in their FU sort of way.

runman1954 wrote:

It's disappointing to see this, but it's pretty naive to think that people will think like you all the time. I believe Clapton is wrong on this and even though he became really ill after getting the vaccine, with his health issues, if he got COVID, he would likely die, without being vaccinated. I'm still a big fan of his music and guitar skills. Just disappointed in his stance on this.

I agree with you. I have been a fan of Clapton's playing since I was a kid, and I admire his overcoming of addiction very, much, too. Clapton joins a long list of people (including plenty of my friends) who have not taken the approach and attitude toward covid that I would have liked. Yeah, it's annoying. But so what? Our culture war is absolutely out of freakin' control. Most of my friends believe things that I think are insane, whether it's their politics or religious beliefs or their belief in astrology. It is what it is. I'm sure I believe things they think are insane, too. Of course, I think they're wrong, but that's part of what makes being a human among humans interesting. Every opinion and tweet really doesn't have to be this big of a deal.

I kind of like that he released this knowing he would be pilloried. Even though I disagree with him, at least he has something to say. Rage Against the Machine's message never resonated with me at all, but I love their music and I respect that they are passionate about their beliefs.

I’m buying some Clapton albums. Good for him.

I started listening to Clapton this year, never heard of him before. I don't care what he does in his free time, there is no denying his apparent talent.

What amazes me is people who still think the anti-vaxxer movement is a fringe, black-sheep group. I am all for vaccines, but I am of the opinion that, those who refuse to get vaccinated should learn the hard way. Many of them already are. Haven't you heard of all the measles and polio outbreaks all over the U.S especially in red states?

Of course, it is terrible for the kids who have to get sick and deal with lasting side effects as a result of their parents' ignorance. Many families getting torn apart because the kids blame their parents for making life unnecessarily hard for them because they were stupid enough to buy into looney conspiracy theories.

Nevertheless, this is a free country, and the only way to learn a lesson in a free county is the hard way.

burritogator wrote:

LOL — who’s the “Covidiot” now?

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2021/08/study-ties-covid-vaccines-lower-transmission-rates

Overall, the researchers say adjusted vaccine effectiveness (aVE) for fully vaccinated household contacts after confirmed exposure was 75% and 79% for other close contacts (95% CIs, 72% to 78% and 74% to 83%, respectively).

Interesting read. It seems like about half the article was devoted to discussing possible sources of error, and without re-reading it a bunch it was hard to tell what it meant. But that could be my laziness as a reader.

Here's a jhu.edu story that says the opposite

... and then goes to great lengths to promote the vaccine anyway.

My take is that the evidence in support of the danger to others posed by unvaccinated people ... that evidence is nowhere near a level that would justify the level of hysteria and hatred we see and hear every day, and that no shortage of people think is perfectly normal. I personally think it's at "wrong side of history" levels. I guess we'll see.

beantaxi wrote:

burritogator wrote:

LOL — who’s the “Covidiot” now?

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2021/08/study-ties-covid-vaccines-lower-transmission-rates

Interesting read. It seems like about half the article was devoted to discussing possible sources of error, and without re-reading it a bunch it was hard to tell what it meant. But that could be my laziness as a reader.

Here's a jhu.edu story that says the opposite

https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2021/new-data-on-covid-19-transmission-by-vaccinated-individuals

... and then goes to great lengths to promote the vaccine anyway.

My take is that the evidence in support of the danger to others posed by unvaccinated people ... that evidence is nowhere near a level that would justify the level of hysteria and hatred we see and hear every day, and that no shortage of people think is perfectly normal. I personally think it's at "wrong side of history" levels. I guess we'll see.

That CDC report is a very narrow view at viral loads - everything else shows significantly lower loads over time for vaxxed people vs unvaxxed

I was never a Clapton fan but I will certainly buy 1,000 of his CDs now. Just to show support. This is fantastic & heroic what he is doing, doing this while the media is making it look like the msm"experts" and their blind sheep are all the opinion that matters and that is all of value, while censoring & squashing any counterpoints. Imagine being that guy in China blocking the tank advance many years ago protesting oppression and calling for more freedom of press, freedom of speech. This is Clapton right now. The OP and his vile disgusting slimy brethren are like the supporters of the tyrannical post Maoist regime. This is where we are. We are divided and getting more divided. I know I am on the right side.

Yawn^9 wrote:

It seems the whole point of the other posters message was that the Covid vaccine is more effective at preventing serious cases then it is against transmission. You felt the need to correct them and bring up the flu vaccine effectiveness.

You are correct l, the flu vaccine is less effective then the Covid vaccine. This doesn’t mean the Covid vaccine is good though. I can only assume you wanted to show how strong the Covid one is by comparing it to a weaker one. Bigger picture though the Covid vaccine really isn’t that impressive and to the other posters point, doesn’t appear good at stopping transmission.

It’s actually quite good at stopping transmission by blocking infection in the first place. Vaccinated people are infected less and clear the infection faster than unvaccinated people if they are infected = less transmissions.

It’s an excellent vaccine in that it keeps nearly everyone out of the hospitals.

It’s funny that you mentioned Hep B, because Hep B has evolved some mild immune escape mutants — but we still think it’s a good vaccine even if it doesn’t work for all infections.

Not only a former junkie but alcoholic and obsessed with sugar and steals his best friend's girlfriend and writes a song about it. Also, when his four-year-old son fell to his death out of an apartment, he walked right on by while people went to attend to the fallen child. Didn't have the balls to attend to him himself.

Neil Young chastised him in the 1980s for selling out to Coors.

"Don't sing for Pepsi, don't sing for Coke, don't sing for nobody, makes me look like a joke."

Clapton is a great songwriter and guitarist but is a complete asswhipe too.

How is this different than not enforcing rules against drunk driving and just letting people learn the hard way that they shouldn’t do it?

Rage For Corporate Profits wrote:

rofl, remember when Rock and Roll used to be about rebellion?

Rage Against The Machine has gone from 'F)ck you, I won't do what you tell me!' to 'Please Government mandate that we all take Big Pharmas 2nd Booster jab!'

That was about Trump.

"...when his four-year-old son fell to his death out of an apartment, he walked right on by while people went to attend to the fallen child. Didn't have the balls to attend to him himself."

That's a pretty cold take on your part. The boy had fallen 53 stories so I'm not sure what you mean by attending to him. All that could be done was to cover him up with something. If I was the father, I wouldn't want that image to be how I remembered my son. Conor's mother never did see the body and Clapton did see him at the morgue.

In this article, Conor's mother, Lory, describes her relationship with Clapton, the horrible accident and the grief they've experienced:

http://www.eric-clapton.co.uk/interviewsandarticles/loryinterview.htm

I don't believe anyone has right to judge how people grieve after such a terrible loss.

Problem is that the lesson that is actually being learned is that if you vaccinate you can be harmed or killed. So yes, I would agree we should enforce punishing doctors and person's responsible for pushing vaccination.

Also, to the first poster, anti vaxx is not a movement. Americans who are smart and have good core values were always there. These are the people the lying corrupt MSM.is vilifying. It is the covidiots pressuring others to be jabbed with some substance that is a new movement. This has not existed before. These people are creating a very dangerous situation.