Key point # 768
Hospitalizations in Hawaii are at a new high, with an active mask mandate for 486 days, extremely high compliance and one of the highest vaccination rates in the world
So sure, masks are completely failing, but to experts and the media that’s just proof of how much we need them.
You are appropriately named Mr. Clown Show
https://www.civilbeat.org/2021/08/hawaii-covid-hospitalizations-peak-as-delta-variant-rages/
wazzu1452 wrote:
My Conservative Town of Coeur d Alene, ID - Has ZERO covid mandates or restrictions.
300 Miles West, In BLUE Seattle - they are issuing mandate after mandate.
This is 100% about politics. It's certainly NOT about your health if you are young and healthy.
Here is what I am arguing; If you want to play COVID for the next 5 years. Go right ahead. No one is stopping you.
You certainly don't need me to lock yourself down and mask up and VAXX up.
Knock yourself out.
Just leave Idaho and the red states alone.
Yeah things are really looking up in your conserve town and red state. 🙄
https://cdapress.com/news/2021/aug/19/what-lies-ahead/Real community-minded guy, this wazzu a-hole.
Kootenai Health reported it has 84 COVID-19 patients, with 35 of those requiring critical care. The hospital said Wednesday it is operating near capacity.
A staffing shortage of more than 500, combined with the increased coronavirus patients, has pushed staff and resources near their limits.
"Kootenai Health’s ability to care for COVID-19 patients is dependent on a combination of beds, equipment and qualified staff," according to Danny Klocko, Kootenai Health’s chief human resources officer.
In a statement, Kootenai Health also urged people to get vaccinated, wear masks in public and avoid large crowds.
“Kootenai Health and its medical staff have explored every possible option to ensure care is available for everyone who needs it,” the statement said. “We are now imploring our community to add their efforts to ours.”
This is happening EVERYWHERE.
Red States - Blue States - EVERYWHERE
But you clowns know this....
The difference is that we don't bother will all the COVID BS in Idaho because, as you can see, it does not make one damn bit of difference.
BLUE State Hawaii hospitals are struggling to handle a combination of Covid and non-Covid patients, with Straub Medical Center operating at up to 125% of its capacity.
The Clown Show wrote:
wazzu1452 wrote:
It almost seems like there is Z E R O difference in outcomes between the states that comply and the states that don't?
Crazy huh????
Key Point #3 from the link you posted:
"The states with higher vaccination rates are seeing fewer Covid patients take up hospital beds."
Are hospitals using their well oiled scam of putting a patient in a bed and keeping them there for several days while never officially admitting them ? You know about this trick called observation status ? Seems easy to take the unvaccinated Covid patients and officially admit them while brining in the vaccinated under observation status. A way to scream something as ludicrous as: 99% OF COVID HOSPITALIZATIONS ARE AMONG THE UNVACCINATED, which is a lie and a joke.
Please find the answer. Asking for a friend.
https://health.usnews.com/health-care/patient-advice/articles/2018-10-18/have-you-really-been-admitted-as-an-inpatient-to-the-hospitalhttps://www.agingcare.com/articles/hospital-observation-status-can-be-financially-devastating-175991.htmDanM wrote:
Are hospitals using their well oiled scam of putting a patient in a bed and keeping them there for several days while never officially admitting them ? You know about this trick called observation status ? Seems easy to take the unvaccinated Covid patients and officially admit them while brining in the vaccinated under observation status. A way to scream something as ludicrous as: 99% OF COVID HOSPITALIZATIONS ARE AMONG THE UNVACCINATED, which is a lie and a joke.
What I find most interesting is that those of you have such little trust in science and medicine to the point where you thumb your nose at them when they say COVID is a serious issue and you further ignore their recommendations to keep you and your community safe, yet you go running to hospitals when you get sick.
If these scamming hospitals, doctors, insurance companies told you that you don't need to wear masks or get a vaccine, but if you get sick you will not be treated or covered would you still keep the same stance you have now? Hospitals cannot turn people away so I know that's a not a fair question. How about this:
Would you, Wazzu, Unkle and whoever else believe that this is a scam, be ok if the rule was you can stay unvaccinated but your COVID treatment would not be covered, you would be responsible for 100% of the cost?
The Clown Show wrote:
DanM wrote:
Are hospitals using their well oiled scam of putting a patient in a bed and keeping them there for several days while never officially admitting them ? You know about this trick called observation status ? Seems easy to take the unvaccinated Covid patients and officially admit them while brining in the vaccinated under observation status. A way to scream something as ludicrous as: 99% OF COVID HOSPITALIZATIONS ARE AMONG THE UNVACCINATED, which is a lie and a joke.
What I find most interesting is that those of you have such little trust in science and medicine to the point where you thumb your nose at them when they say COVID is a serious issue and you further ignore their recommendations to keep you and your community safe, yet you go running to hospitals when you get sick.
If these scamming hospitals, doctors, insurance companies told you that you don't need to wear masks or get a vaccine, but if you get sick you will not be treated or covered would you still keep the same stance you have now? Hospitals cannot turn people away so I know that's a not a fair question. How about this:
Would you, Wazzu, Unkle and whoever else believe that this is a scam, be ok if the rule was you can stay unvaccinated but your COVID treatment would not be covered, you would be responsible for 100% of the cost?
I asked a specific question about a well established deceptive practice and how it could be used as a means to frighten the public. The numbers out of Israel are in sharp contrast to the "99% Unvaccinated" claim.
Can you guarantee that observation status is not being used as a way to distort Covid hospitalization statistics regarding vaccinated and unvaccinated patients ?
The Clown Show wrote:
DanM wrote:
Are hospitals using their well oiled scam of putting a patient in a bed and keeping them there for several days while never officially admitting them ? You know about this trick called observation status ? Seems easy to take the unvaccinated Covid patients and officially admit them while brining in the vaccinated under observation status. A way to scream something as ludicrous as: 99% OF COVID HOSPITALIZATIONS ARE AMONG THE UNVACCINATED, which is a lie and a joke.
What I find most interesting is that those of you have such little trust in science and medicine to the point where you thumb your nose at them when they say COVID is a serious issue and you further ignore their recommendations to keep you and your community safe, yet you go running to hospitals when you get sick.
If these scamming hospitals, doctors, insurance companies told you that you don't need to wear masks or get a vaccine, but if you get sick you will not be treated or covered would you still keep the same stance you have now? Hospitals cannot turn people away so I know that's a not a fair question. How about this:
Would you, Wazzu, Unkle and whoever else believe that this is a scam, be ok if the rule was you can stay unvaccinated but your COVID treatment would not be covered, you would be responsible for 100% of the cost?
How about all the people who have been vaxxed and done everything the bosses have told them. They get treated but we don't? Why?
What makes you think what the media and pols tell you are "science and medicine" is the truth? Because they tell you so?
You don't understand that health care is a business in America?
And that Big Pharma has been caught repeatedly altering test results and paid billions of $$ in fines?
You think it's crazy not to trust the media, our pols, big business?
By the way, the last place I would go if I got sick with symptoms like Covid is to a doctor or the hospital.
I value my life
wazzu1452 wrote:
c7runner7 is your run of mill JUCO graduate, working at Starbucks, serving up Pumpkin Spice Lattes to other skateboarding social justice warriors while he, holds court, and waxes on....
"I knew the first wave of vaccines would not work" blah, blah, blah....
I am so impressed with these liberal arts and sociology majors!
"I just wear my mask to comply because it's cosmetic theater for my other worthless progressive friends." "We are getting all the boosters and I can't wait for my VAXX passport so I can move freely around whatever Blue city dump I live in."
I am c7runner7 hear me ROAR!
https://tenor.com/brQBM.gif
10/10 dude I laughed so hard.
DanM wrote:
I asked a specific question about a well established deceptive practice and how it could be used as a means to frighten the public. The numbers out of Israel are in sharp contrast to the "99% Unvaccinated" claim.
Can you guarantee that observation status is not being used as a way to distort Covid hospitalization statistics regarding vaccinated and unvaccinated patients ?
I ignored your question because you have done what many who love to argue conspiracy theories do: Say something is happening and then dare others to prove it wrong.
THAT IS NOT HOW IT WORKS.
Dan, you have to prove that what you are saying is correct. You must provide the evidence. You must show us that what you are saying has merit.
"Can you guarantee that Aliens haven't inhabited planet earth and they are the ones responsible for the spread of COVID? "
wazzu1452 wrote:
This is happening EVERYWHERE.
Red States - Blue States - EVERYWHERE
But you clowns know this....
The difference is that we don't bother will all the COVID BS in Idaho because, as you can see, it does not make one damn bit of difference.
BLUE State Hawaii hospitals are struggling to handle a combination of Covid and non-Covid patients, with Straub Medical Center operating at up to 125% of its capacity.
https://apnews.com/article/business-health-oregon-coronavirus-pandemic-732f3bf63054bc5747803bf09b0aa1df
Yes, hospitalizations are high in Hawaii but the difference is that deaths have not increased at all. Unlike in Idaho, which is starting to see a spike in deaths and just had the most deaths in a day since January. Hawaii has the lowest death rate of any state, even Vermont. Its death rate for this entire epidemic is less than 1/3 of that in Idaho.
And take a look at New York. Cases are going up some but no real increases in deaths yet. So while the delta virus is spreading everywhere in some places a lot more people are dying, so apparently something does make a difference.
The Unkle wrote:
By the way, the last place I would go if I got sick with symptoms like Covid is to a doctor or the hospital.
I value my life
This is a promising development. If you could convince others that share some of the viewpoints that you have to do the same, that would be awesome.
Pretty sure we will be told about a surge in the North by this October if not sooner.
Just like last year.
And, just like last year, the people living there who have been praised for following the rules will be blamed for getting lax on following the rules,
The Clown Show wrote:
The Unkle wrote:
By the way, the last place I would go if I got sick with symptoms like Covid is to a doctor or the hospital.
I value my life
This is a promising development. If you could convince others that share some of the viewpoints that you have to do the same, that would be awesome.
This clown thinks it's safe to go to the doctor!
He does not realize it is a business and the priority is $$.
Medical Error Statistics
Top Health Statistics
Medical billing errors cost Americans $210,000,000,000 annually.
Roughly 12,000,000 Americans are misdiagnosed each year.
Medical errors cause an estimated 250,000 deaths in the United States annually.
As many as 80 percent of medical bills contain at least one error.
A little more than 4,000 surgical errors occur each year.
It’s estimated that 7,000 to 9,000 patients die every year from medication errors.
As you can see from our top stats, medical errors are abundant in the American health care system. What qualifies as a medical error, and how can you know if you or a loved one has been the victim of one?
A Johns Hopkins study released in 2016 estimated that roughly 250,000 people die annually because of medical errors. That would make medical errors the third leading cause of death in the United States, behind only heart disease and cancer.
The Unkle wrote:
The Clown Show wrote:
This is a promising development. If you could convince others that share some of the viewpoints that you have to do the same, that would be awesome.
This clown thinks it's safe to go to the doctor!
He does not realize it is a business and the priority is $$.
Medical Error Statistics
Top Health Statistics
Medical billing errors cost Americans $210,000,000,000 annually.
Roughly 12,000,000 Americans are misdiagnosed each year.
Medical errors cause an estimated 250,000 deaths in the United States annually.
As many as 80 percent of medical bills contain at least one error.
A little more than 4,000 surgical errors occur each year.
It’s estimated that 7,000 to 9,000 patients die every year from medication errors.
As you can see from our top stats, medical errors are abundant in the American health care system. What qualifies as a medical error, and how can you know if you or a loved one has been the victim of one?
A Johns Hopkins study released in 2016 estimated that roughly 250,000 people die annually because of medical errors. That would make medical errors the third leading cause of death in the United States, behind only heart disease and cancer.
I'm being dead serious. My beef is not that you don't want to get vaccinated, is that many of the unvaccinated are eating up resources that could be better used elsewhere, I would prefer everyone get vaccinated so when my sick loved one has to go in for more surgery she'll get the attention, treatment and time to recover as required.
So if the unvaccinated get sick, and just stay home instead of running to hospitals then all is good on my end.
Not saying I wish for it to happen, but can't help thinking what a delicious irony it would be if a few of you dorks wound up pleading for vaccine in the final moments before your intubation.
https://www.the-sun.com/news/3506687/anti-vaxx-gop-official-delta-variant-anti-maskers-dies/
The Clown Show wrote:
DanM wrote:
I asked a specific question about a well established deceptive practice and how it could be used as a means to frighten the public. The numbers out of Israel are in sharp contrast to the "99% Unvaccinated" claim.
Can you guarantee that observation status is not being used as a way to distort Covid hospitalization statistics regarding vaccinated and unvaccinated patients ?
I ignored your question because you have done what many who love to argue conspiracy theories do: Say something is happening and then dare others to prove it wrong.
THAT IS NOT HOW IT WORKS.
Dan, you have to prove that what you are saying is correct. You must provide the evidence. You must show us that what you are saying has merit.
"Can you guarantee that Aliens haven't inhabited planet earth and they are the ones responsible for the spread of COVID? "
There you have it. I want to talk about the history of hospitals deceptively manufacturing bogus info about patient admissions and the reply is gobbledygook about space aliens.
The readers of this thread can see the posts and decide for themselves any questions about who is serious.
DanM wrote:
The Clown Show wrote:
I ignored your question because you have done what many who love to argue conspiracy theories do: Say something is happening and then dare others to prove it wrong.
THAT IS NOT HOW IT WORKS.
Dan, you have to prove that what you are saying is correct. You must provide the evidence. You must show us that what you are saying has merit.
"Can you guarantee that Aliens haven't inhabited planet earth and they are the ones responsible for the spread of COVID? "
There you have it. I want to talk about the history of hospitals deceptively manufacturing bogus info about patient admissions and the reply is gobbledygook about space aliens.
The readers of this thread can see the posts and decide for themselves any questions about who is serious.
LOL and here we have it, a living, breathing, walking, talking, eating, $hitting, f*cking embodiment of the Dunning-Kruger effect. Soldier on, moron!
