Everyone's mad because a guy trying to live his Olympic dream believed he could quickly heal up a quad strain and get back out there in time for heats? You guys act like Nuguse kneecapped Engels on his way out of Eugene.
Everyone's mad because a guy trying to live his Olympic dream believed he could quickly heal up a quad strain and get back out there in time for heats? You guys act like Nuguse kneecapped Engels on his way out of Eugene.
Nuguse earned the right to manage his spot however he chose to, whether anyone likes it or not. Engels was not robbed or otherwise deprived of anything as he earned nothing.
bad form wrote:
Guaranteed he knew a while ago,
And how do you have such certain knowledge?
bad form wrote:just made sure he’d f**k Engels
And how do you know this?
Please don't be evasive. Tell us how you have such certainties.
karma is real wrote:
ShilohDoesntCare wrote:
How would you get such a strain the week leading up? No one should be training at an intensity that could cause that so soon that you wouldn't just finish the competition. This is a poor look just like when Des Linden did it. Let someone else get the chance if you can't compete.
But Des ran a few steps so that she could call herself an Olympian. He can not and that is a shame.
We'll never really know the details but no one is doing tough sessions a week out unless your coach is a moron. Nuguse is young he has cycles ahead of him. Just give the spot up if you're injured. Engels is entered to race a road mile in 5 days likely he has been keeping in shape. Not like he was likely to medal but still. There should be something in place, communication between coaches and athletes in this situation. It's a shame.
Trucker Hat wrote:
Listen someone would have to knock me out with a baseball bat to not at least attempt an Olympic race. What the heck is going on? The so called GOAT of gymnastics decides not to compete for her country mid comp. High jumpers are hugging and kissing as they choose to “tie” when they could of competed for victories. Now a guy doesn’t even start the 1500 cause he has a little injury. This woke generation is destroying sports.
I am afraid you are correct.
karma is real wrote:
He is NOT an Olympian.
You must show up to the starting line to be an Olympian.
Did he qualify for the Olympics? YES
Is he an Olympian? NO
A false start is considered an Olympian. A dnf is considered an Olympian.
A dns is not an Olympian.
Not sure what the official criteria are to be considered an Olympian. Whatever that checklist has, he did all the hardest items on that list. I would call him an Olympian. If he still needed to start the race to avoid a DNS, then the only thing between him being called an Olympian is this…. Get to the stadium, have your athlete credentials, Check in, warm up or not, put uniform on, stand at the start line, take a few steps once the gun goes off, then say ouch, my quad hurts, and DNF….. bingo, he’s an Olympian! I don’t think my little scenario is needed. He’s an Olympian without it.
No, Richardson was disqualified and Yes Hendricks medaled in Rio and qualified for Tokyo. One could say however Hendricks let his country down by being irresponsible and not getting vaccinated
dadoffourcs wrote:
Craig Engels was robbed.
If Engels was "robbed", he robbed himself.
Runners get injured training. Stuff happens.
If you are criticizing the way Yared handled this then you are a sh!tty person.
rojo wrote:
This is a tough situation for all involved. If he goes out there and jogs, people would rip him for not giving up a spot. If he gives up his spot, is he not considered an Olympian?
And as someone who hurt my hamstring 20+ years ago, you really don't want to injure it seriously as it can stick with you.
I think I would have had him go out there and basically jog it (or give up the spot). There is zero chance I'd personally go DNS but in some ways you've got to respect him for going DNS. He's not going to demean this level of competition and turn it into a participation award.
He warmed up and tried to give it a go. Uber vc
But if you are unwilling to jog, wouldn't the best case scenario be to have Engels here? If you don't want to risk injury and don't want to race unless 100%, then you call him and get him here. It's like the HJ - best of both worlds. You tell people you qualified for the Olympics but gave up your spot so Engels gets to run.
They probably just hoped the strain would clear up in time for him to run the heat and he earned the right to wait until race day to decide. He doesn't owe anything to Engels.
I don't know why anyone would expect him to limp through the race. What would that accomplish? Wouldn't it be kind of humiliating?
hdd wrote:
Ritz did the same thing when he jogged the Olympic race on a broken foot.
Ritz was one of three guys with the standard back then and rankings were not a thing. There was literally nobody to replace him. Yet he still ran and finished the thing to the best of his ability. He didn’t jog it.
Dont compare ritz to d*ck-broom mcmullet.
Ajax wrote:
Dont compare ritz to d*ck-broom mcmullet.
but to be fair and ridiculous hair aside, engels shoudve been allowed to sub in.
1) i would perhaps at least entertain the opinions of actual olympians as to the whether or not nuguse is an olympian, but i would guess if enough were asked, their opinions would be varied.
2) i am thankful that the letrsrun message board is NOT an authority on what constitutes an olympian (or what constitutes mental health, physical health, or mental toughness).
3) while i can only imagine what it is to be an olympian (though i've been around more than a few), i know on good authority that these guys are also trying to make a living at this sport, and at nuguse's level, an injury can mean tens of thousands of dollars, and prolonging it can mean obviously even more thousands of dollars.
the only real fact i can manufacture here is: he's an official member of the u.s. olympic team, and has the literal credentials and all the swag in the world to prove it. if that doesn't meet some random message board's definition of "olympian," i think nuguse'll get over it...
that's my story and i'm sticking to it,
cush
So he could knocked out in the prelims?
HC wrote:
Nuguse earned the right to manage his spot however he chose to, whether anyone likes it or not.
He managed not to be an Olympian. Maybe he could have managed to keep his prior supporters in the process.
Phil Ken Sebben wrote:
HC wrote:
Nuguse earned the right to manage his spot however he chose to, whether anyone likes it or not.
He managed not to be an Olympian. Maybe he could have managed to keep his prior supporters in the process.
all of* his
socalcush wrote:
1) i would perhaps at least entertain the opinions of actual olympians as to the whether or not nuguse is an olympian, but i would guess if enough were asked, their opinions would be varied.
2) i am thankful that the letrsrun message board is NOT an authority on what constitutes an olympian (or what constitutes mental health, physical health, or mental toughness).
3) while i can only imagine what it is to be an olympian (though i've been around more than a few), i know on good authority that these guys are also trying to make a living at this sport, and at nuguse's level, an injury can mean tens of thousands of dollars, and prolonging it can mean obviously even more thousands of dollars.
the only real fact i can manufacture here is: he's an official member of the u.s. olympic team, and has the literal credentials and all the swag in the world to prove it. if that doesn't meet some random message board's definition of "olympian," i think nuguse'll get over it...
that's my story and i'm sticking to it,
cush
Amen.
Thanks for posting. No one feels worse than Nguse that he could not run. Warmed up and realized he could not do himself or the race justice. Get better soon, Goose! Let’s Run is so predictably hilarious. Old 5 minute HS milers claiming they know better than world-class athletes.. Go Hocker and Centro!
Look, Nuguse is still a young adult and likely is just listening to his coach. Let’s not attack Nuguse here. Unfortunately, his coach kept this secret to all rather than alerting USATF that there could be an issue.
There is no way in hell USA shouldn’t have three athletes start in every event. Just to give up a seat at the Olympic table just because some coach wants to save his 4th man for XC season is completely and utterly selfish.
The coach should have communicated with USATF. Come race day, if Nuguse is in Tokyo and the next guy in line is not, than the coach needs to sit Nuguse down and tell him it’s the freaking Olympics and he needs to race. Plain and simple. You are representing your country. Not ND XC.
Granted, if he had a last minute debilitating injury or serious health matter, fine pull the plug. But a QUAD strain? Are you kidding me? He was warming up. He can obviously run, just not at his best. Get on the damn line and do your best. Any coach worth his salt would have pulled plug much sooner (so that another can take his spot) or told Nuguse he needs to get out there and race, as he may never get this chance again and that he’s America’s guy at that moment. Despicable .