Robert Brandt ROASTS Tinman and Drew Hunter gets feelings hurt

Mr.Andy wrote:

Does Drew Hunter have an All-American plaques? I don’t think so

you see, the implicit corollary to my earlier point that Drew's PRs are faster than Robert Brandt's is that Hunter would have just as many, if not more All-American plaques, as compared to Brandt. You are correct, Drew Hunter does not have one All-American plaque. But that's because he just bypassed college entirely and went professional, competing at a higher level than 99.9% of people his age. And that took guts.

Don't get me wrong, I think Brandt is impressive (although I'd never heard of him before this LR thread, TBH), those are great times. My problem with this is: if you're gonna fire some shots at someone who's faster than you at least say something more clever than a middle school bully who picks his nose and eats it.

westsouthrunner wrote:

Mr.Andy wrote:

Does Drew Hunter have an All-American plaques? I don’t think so

Does Robert have a national title? a top 5 finish even in the NCAA system? Definitely not a comparison between the two.

You guys are so overly harsh on the Tinmen. I appreciate seeing some of the behind the scenes stuff from their videos. You guys act like they do anything different than other professionals. The bowerman track club has been growing their youtube presence a ton over the last two months. No one is bashing them for that.

LOL imagine thinking All-American status is something you can hold over DREW HUNTER's head. The guy has made a national team and is USA indoor champ.

You know what happened? This guy Rob Brandt thinks he's a great runner, feels himself hard after running 13 miles at 5:30 pace with a low HR average, and makes a post targeting Tinman because he's convinced himself that he's fast enough to hold a candle to Hunter.

But he's gonna get mollywopped by Nico Young.

Mr.Andy wrote:

Does Drew Hunter have an All-American plaques? I don’t think so

after many several minutes of careful and thoughtful analyzed analysis, my team has confirmed the following:

ur Rob

Please don't use the word "Natties".

LAME!

"Go Run One"

Rob lost to a 4:23 miler 2 years ago. That's all anyone has to say to devastate him

I'm annoyed by most of the tin guys too. I bet if Pre were alive, he would rip sam parsons a new one for the fake transparent allegiance switch he did. All TME guys think theyre all deep and cool because they live in CO and have friends with good cameras who can film a 30 second form check on a dirt road every day and they can post it with a caption consisting of a couple short sentences with line breaks. Literally everyone trains hard and 'keeps the ball rolling'. Most people just dont do it with as many cameras. You're not that special.

If you think you have done a lot of good for the sport by filming yourselves running every day and selling t shirts, you need to take some time to reflect on what "good for the sport' means. sure, its good to have kids excited about it but HS TF/XC kids have literally always just gravitated to whatever running media they could find (chris solinsky beast mode ft. the xx, dave wottle 800m, trevor dunbar snow time trial, alan webb 3:53). I would be impressed if I had ever heard any actually eye opening/important wisdom from the group. How are you getting kids to fall in love with the sport (not the people to do the sport... the sport itself!) so that they can carry it with them for the rest of their lives.

Rob also posts on his latest strava post

-“Wow pissed off a lot of Aluminum men yesterday. Thought the athletes who compete in a sport that requires so much mental toughness would have some thicker skin. And for the record, I don’t care about anyone’s feelings. I just care about the results next to my name and supporting all those dudes quietly grinding away in the shadows for the love of the sport

PS I should start working on my abysmal kick to back up all this Chuck steak level beef I’ve been spewing”

Robs a savage! My new pick for outdoor 5k and 10k

If you are garnering more attention than your results warrant I would argue that you are doing something RIGHT, not something wrong.

Attention is good for the sport. Promotion is good for the sport. There is nothing noble in being quiet and training in the shadows.

walter j wrote:

Just a guy observing, objectively wrote:

Lomong hadn't run 13:00 at that point. (previous best 13:21)

Kincaid hadn't run 12:58 at that point. (previous best 13:12(i) 3 years prior. Pretty weak results up until the point of USAs)

Mead and True's 13:02 were from 2014.

Just good to have the appropriate, accurate context/info of the competitors in the field.

Lomong's previous best was 13:07i, not 13:21. A real fan of the sport would remember that as it was an American record when he did it. He'd run faster than 13:21 several times. Thanks for the "appropriate, accurate" info.

Yes. Also, Woody and Lomong ran their 13:00s within a couple months of USAs, so clearly they were in shape during the meet, but fair point that they hadn't run it yet. To call it a weak field is silly under the circumstances, though.

Sure, Mead and True's times were from 2014. True ran 13:09 and 7:40 in 2019, though, so it's not like he'd fallen off a cliff. Definitely one of the best 5K fields we have put up.

1) Robert Brandt is a ballsy af racer and really fun to watch. If you don't know him, you've paid 0 attention to the NCAA for the last two years and I feel bad for you.

2) Brandt said exactly what everyone was thinking. Tinman Elite is 100% overhyped and full of crap. I'm glad to see someone call it out and has gotten the crowd going a bit for the spring. TE just isn't that good. Drew came up a bit short at USA's, they've won club XC a lot, and Templeton got 2nd in the road 5k. I'm sure I've missed an "accolade" or two here or there, but frankly, there's a lot of guys and teams that have done the same and don't have a quarter of Tinman's name recognition. They're not half as good as they act.

3) However, Drew is absolutely right too. Drew, Tinman Elite, and Tom, have done a LOT of good for the sport. I love seeing young athletes at meets wearing logos from elite teams and I see the hammer and axe everywhere. Every legit HS kid in the country knows TE, not because they're particularly good, but because they are great at branding. They've got solid PR's, they're approachable, and they tell a good story. It'd be easier for me to like TE if they had better results, but anyone who thinks they're "bad for the sport" is a bonehead.

There, now I think I've successfully pissed everyone off. Don't @ me.

Mr.Andy wrote:

Rob also posts on his latest strava post

-“Wow pissed off a lot of Aluminum men yesterday. Thought the athletes who compete in a sport that requires so much mental toughness would have some thicker skin. And for the record, I don’t care about anyone’s feelings. I just care about the results next to my name and supporting all those dudes quietly grinding away in the shadows for the love of the sport

PS I should start working on my abysmal kick to back up all this Chuck steak level beef I’ve been spewing”

Robs a savage! My new pick for outdoor 5k and 10k

I can't wait to see the freshman Nico Young gobsmack this clown. I'll be waiting to post the thread. It will be glorious when it happens.

Mr.Andy wrote:

Rob says “I don’t know what it is but I wanna crush the Tinman guys like a ball of Tinman foil. Maybe it’s their overt confidence and then proceeding to finish in the bottom third of every elite field they enter. See you guys in the spring!”

Drew Hunter responds like a baby “ Robert Brandt dude. You hurt my feelings. Why do you have to be hateful just to be hateful? Being 100% serious. Regardless of our performances, we’ve done a lot of good for the sport. And I am sad that you can’t see that. Hope you’re happy putting people down. ”

The beautiful thing about running is that you need to be producing quality results more times than not. You can get away with having "Off" races and or being injured for only so long, eventually, you're going to have to produce some fast times and win some big races. Self-promotion and or hype are great and can be a positive thing, but in the end, you need to run fast and win.

FYI- The "Tinman" philosophy is nothing new and is just a mix of various coaching ideas and re-named to make it sound cool. Ain't no secrets here folks! If this "New" training fad brings excitement and grows the sport great. If not, the Tinman Elite will be the ones looking stupid getting their butts kicked week in and week out while looking cool in their Adidas swag.

Good Luck and "Go Run One".

I don't think Tinman is a very good coach. He is not a bad coach at all, but I put his training philosophies way behind something like Daniels, and you can buy Daniels' running formula for like $10.

He must be cheap or something, because I can't see why a pro of Hunter's caliber would want to train with Tinman when they could train with Wetmore, or maybe Mike Smith (hard to say if he would take other pros), or even Joe Bosshard, who I think is doing a great job.

Mr.Andy wrote:

Rob also posts on his latest strava post

-“Wow pissed off a lot of Aluminum men yesterday. Thought the athletes who compete in a sport that requires so much mental toughness would have some thicker skin. And for the record, I don’t care about anyone’s feelings. I just care about the results next to my name and supporting all those dudes quietly grinding away in the shadows for the love of the sport

PS I should start working on my abysmal kick to back up all this Chuck steak level beef I’ve been spewing”

Robs a savage! My new pick for outdoor 5k and 10k

Coop will wipe the floor

birdbeard wrote:

I don't think Tinman is a very good coach. He is not a bad coach at all, but I put his training philosophies way behind something like Daniels, and you can buy Daniels' running formula for like $10.

He must be cheap or something, because I can't see why a pro of Hunter's caliber would want to train with Tinman when they could train with Wetmore, or maybe Mike Smith (hard to say if he would take other pros), or even Joe Bosshard, who I think is doing a great job.

Agreed, tinman training is garbage.

I am pretty sure he coaches Drew Hunter for free.

I don’t think Rob is saying he’s better than anyone. He could very well get his ass kicked and I wouldn’t think differently. He’s calling out the guys who seem to be in it for the wrong reasons.

pretty sure he lost to the 4:23 miler in a half marathon...

oh yeah that 4:23 miler is also a 2:15 marathoner

tlppp wrote:

This “shut up and run” philosophy is just romanticized garbage. The self promoters that everyone comes here to anonymously blast are significantly better for our sport. Sorry.

Absolutely. One of the reasons this sport has failed to make it as a true professional sport is exactly that kind of mentality.

Professional athletes are entertainers. Sport is entertainment.

But people on here and many professional runners seem to think they are running for some higher purpose such as self enlightenment or to achieve kudos for self-flagellation.

They are entertainers and the sport needs to entertain. Today, that includes social media.

Without entertaining the fans running is not a sport, cannot sell tickets, cannot sell packages to TV stations to televise, cannot advertise products and the sports final roots will wither and die.

“In it for the wrong reasons”

Hahaha that’s rich.