There is no “genetic superiority” when it comes to distance running. Literally everyone sub 2:09 is just doping.

Hey, Tanzania produced a better runner than Great Britain. Despite 100 years of tradition in your beloved island compared to 10 years in this former German colony.

Bayi was fantastic. Without any background in his country to the top of the world.

After the 1979 season
19 Kenyans and 1 Tanzanian have run sub 1:47.8 for 800m
15 Kenyans and 2 Tanzanians have run sub 3:41.5 for 1500m
16 Kenyans and 2 Tanzanians have run sub 13:36.6 for 5000m
15 Kenyans and 1 Tanzanian have run sub 28:42.8 for 10000m
17 Kenyans and 1 Tanzanian have run sub 8:39.2 for the steeple

Tanzania was the best country behind Kenya in the 1970s. According to Armstrong, Kenya was just one of some countrys in Africa.

10 points here for the idiot of the village title.

Please challenge him Coevett.

Ever heard of Ben Jipcho?

Finished 1 second behind Bayi in Bayi's greatest race. After he has won the steeple and the 5000m in the 2nd fastest time in history at the same championships.

Kenya was not the no.1 distance running nation in the period 1964 - 1979 because of Filbert Bayi! And because Ovett has beaten Rono (in Rono's something like 50th race of the season). Go for your daily praying now: UK - UK - UK.

8 points for the idiot of the village title. Give it another try, Armstrong is still way ahead.

Haha, pathetic excuses. Ovett was exhausted as well - he'd just done the European 800/1500 double (would have been double gold if not for Beyer's doping). Rono had had nearly a month's rest after the Commonwealth Games. Ovett had only moved up to the 1500m seriously the previous year, and he smoked Rono - the 5000m WR holder - over two miles. Ovett had just run I think the 5th fastest 800m in history, and he was racing over two miles against the 3000m AND 3000m steeplechase world record holder.

You'd be better off claiming Rono had been on the bottle before his race against Ovett (probably closer to the truth).

Also, as you are a stickler for precise facts, it was his 48th race of the season, not 50th.

Stop lying.

Ovett did the equivalent of Jake Wightman challenging Cheptegei over two miles, and winning easily while waving to the crowd.

And then somebody like you claiming Cheptegei was the better runner because he had special genes.

I said something like 50th race. Liar.

Again genetics! You are the only one who constantly brings genetics into the discussion.

I have never said Rono was the better runner. That's just what you fabricate in your damaged brain. Ovett was great.

He was not winning easily. Rono did all the pace. Ovett lost contact. Closed the gap and was winning with his extremely strong finish. Great win in a perfect race for him. Rono has run a 3k, a 5k, a 10k, a steeple the week before the race.

Rono at his best was 6 seconds faster than Ovett at his best over 3k/2M. Fantastic achievement of Ovett some weeks after running 1:44.09.

Which country was more successful than Kenya in the period 1964 - 1979 in the men's track distance events? Name just one country. Small hint: Bayi is not a country. You can look on a globe (this round thing you have had in your room until last year) for some countries.

I met Ovett when I was invited to run in a track meet in the early 80's. He was warming up wearing a pink Mickey Mouse hoody. Very cool. He seemed like a good guy and moved as smooth in the flesh as you would imagine.

This is such a wonderful post which summarazes this whole madness which is going on here.

To be faster than Keino it's enough to have beaten him once - than you are officially Armstronglivs-faster than Keino.

For Keino faster than someone else, he could never have lost a single race and must have been faster in any event.

Rarely has anyone exposed themselves more clearly.

What he quotes for me is completely wrong, but I start to realice, he really can't grasp the (extremely important) difference.

On exactly this level which is here exposed, is all of his and Coevett's "argumentation" against Kenyan success in the 60s and 70s.

Since my last statistics was received so positively by the two mad men, here are a few clips for a nice Wednesday:

(info for the two non-checkers: this is not a distance race)

The only video you need.

And the only time in athletics history a man has waved at the crowd while breaking a WR. And only 2 weeks after he ran a 1:44.0 800m, just 0.5 seconds off the WR.

For sure.

Kenyans have to win any race and to set any record to just worth looking on. One lost race and they are considered also-runs.

Kenya was not the no. 1 distance running nation in the period 1964 - 1979 because Rono has lost this race. I'm convinced now and wait for more self exposition of yourself. It will come.

Btw, this was not the fastest 2 Miles run at the time. Just a note.

Also-ran = loser.

The one useful thing you are doing is providing a detailed background of the doping spectacle that has been Kenyan running from the earliest.

Where is the bit that explains how Kenyans have become amongst the worst dopers on the planet in distance running?

Slower:- "I have said no runner was faster than Keino in his era."

Yet:-

Keino: 13.24; Clarke: 13.16.6. Keino: 3.34.9; Ryun: 3.33.1.

Have you an IQ of only 85, or are you actually psychotic?

Bingo!

He did it again.

I'm happy to promote your self-destruction.

All of yours and Coevett's argumentation:

Kenya was not the best nation because they have not won any race and not set any record. Nothing more.

Others where faster than Keino because he has not won any race and not held any world record. Nothing more.

Waiting for more from you. It will come!

I see you doing your best to keep building your self-destruction. I appreciate this.

So we agree that Keino was faster than Clarke.

Now back to the main point: it seems you also agree that Kenya was the no. 1 distance running nation in the period 1964 - 1979

In many instances extrapolating what "doping" must've taken place where and when is based on the premise that "doping" is the main reason explaining performance patterns and perhaps so effective that one can't compete / triumph without it. Perhaps and even likely this is the case in multiweek cycling GTs in some eras. But if the case isn't similar in running, the picture gets easily murkier.

Kenyans started to triumph after the mid-1980s, and if we are to believe e.g. Dr. E. Randy Eichner, a famed researcher and blood specialist, who has written about blood doping and EPO since the mid-1980s, reviewed data and research and given presentations in conferences etc, at least the initial success wasn't EPO fueled.

This is because his view is that the Kenyans didn't begin even their EPO program in the early 1990s but likely around the the turn of the millenium:

That is his opinion stated in 2023, actually a few days ago. That is with all the knowledge on the prevalence of EPO use in Kenya today and after the EPO papers involving Kenyans were published.