This thread was originally titled, "Incredible development in the $612,000 Transcon Goodge run, currently ongoing" but the new title is more descriptive. The description of the run is here.
(which nobody has given a plausible suggestion for how they could be cheating anyway!)
I have no idea if he is doing anything underhand but if I wanted to cheat, I would not wear the tracker and I would hand over the watch to someone else mid run whilst I rested. I would also not have a video camera on me at all times. I would also not change to wearing a chest HR strap to put those concerns to rest
I know most trolls on here (boogerjohnson really) have started some, albeit hilarious, storyline of me and RB walking out of a buffet together. That being said, I just spoke to RB (ahahaha!) on the phone, and had an honest conversation about my opinion of the coverage of WillC on their latest youtube episode (as much as I despise WillC, I thought it was not in the spirit of running across the USA). Anyway, I had brought up fundraising, and he confirmed that they are directing all funds to charity, and not accepting anything from gofundme to cover costs of producing the run. It was one thing I know many other transcon runners have seemed to sneak around, so I’m happy to confirm that. I’ll hold them to it to show the accountability at the end, of course, but this run sounds to be otherwise funded in advance.
Why would you despise WillC? Why could you not simply disagree with him and point out where you think he’s wrong? Even if it turns out he’s wrong, he seems sincere in simply wanting to verify the integrity of this attempt.
Watching the video of the Goodge crew towards him led me to the conclusion that at best they are a bunch of jerks. And now you “despise” him which seems way over the top.
There seems to be some legitimate concerns with the veracity of this run. I’m beginning to suspect your impartiality at this point.
Yes, a bit odd that WC has highlighted that for four years, two runners, who are business partners have done these runs, and their heart rates come out at around 110 for 90% of them, but are fine on stuff like day 1 of the challenges, or when WC writes them stinkers, or when they race during them, or the 5/6 days when he observed, with one strange 20 mile bit when RB ran; and instead of addressing a single one of these concerns, PK just says: "I despise him".
It's not ambassadorial at all. At one stage PK says that WCs definition of clean and unclean is "laughable", and yet he also says that every single unclean is simply a tech fail - yesterday he would surely say the same: It's all garbage up until the 52nd mile when it suddenly goes normal.
PK should clear up whether:
1) WC is laughable for misreading the data, because it's all fine
2) it's all just a massive 4 year, 6 watch, 2 athlete, multiday tech fail
And people like you continue to just parrot these lines from wvlc without checking.
You all parroted that the data was fine while Will C was there watching until I actually bothered to check.
His Jogle, yes the rate is higher on day 1, when he ran significantly faster than all the other days.
And how do you explain this one? WG ran 12 marathons back-to-back in 2020. Most were at a pace faster than the Transcon, but one of them, day 6, he ran with someone and was slower, much more comparable to what he's running now.
It was in Hyde Park with other people, so I'd like to hear the theory if you thought he was cheating.
So even if these readings are reliable, which they aren't, these overblow claims about patterns don't match the evidence. But you don't care, you'll carry on repeating them on blind trust.
And people like you continue to just parrot these lines from wvlc without checking.
You all parroted that the data was fine while Will C was there watching until I actually bothered to check.
His Jogle, yes the rate is higher on day 1, when he ran significantly faster than all the other days.
And how do you explain this one? WG ran 12 marathons back-to-back in 2020. Most were at a pace faster than the Transcon, but one of them, day 6, he ran with someone and was slower, much more comparable to what he's running now.
It was in Hyde Park with other people, so I'd like to hear the theory if you thought he was cheating.
So even if these readings are reliable, which they aren't, these overblow claims about patterns don't match the evidence. But you don't care, you'll carry on repeating them on blind trust.
So your perspective is that WillC is intentionally lying about the data, there is nothing suspicious about the HR data, and we should despise WillC for trying to tarnish a good man’s name?
That’s really good to hear. Thanks for checking that out. They should really make that clear as the natural assumption is that it isn’t if you’re using gofundme. One of several mistakes they’ve made, like not checking what the actual ‘Englishman’s record’ was first before commissioning the van artwork. You have been the best voice of experience and reason in this debate, Pete. Totally agree there is nothing exceptional about this, having done several 50+ multidays myself and, though the hr data looks odd, it is far more likely that it is from measuring off a wrist than some nefarious scheme (which nobody has given a plausible suggestion for how they could be cheating anyway!)
I never said I despise Will, I've previously said I think Will isn't being devious, he's just seeing what he wants to see, and I've also said it's reasonable to be suspicious because of WC's lack of high level credentials. Not my fault you're hard of reading.
This is the problem, you're just making up the rules with this cherry picking. The run I highlighted is not a single marathon, it's the sixth in a row, and it has numerous Ks deep into into it that Will would count as dirty. Take K 26, 6:12 at 116. I don't actually see the mile your talking about.
As for the same pace but lower heart rate later in the run, day 26 is a great example, when WC was watching.
I never said I despise Will, I've previously said I think Will isn't being devious, he's just seeing what he wants to see, and I've also said it's reasonable to be suspicious because of WC's lack of high level credentials. Not my fault you're hard of reading.
Yes, my bad on that. Apologies. I should not have worded it that way as you weren’t the one that wrote he despised him.
I know most trolls on here (boogerjohnson really) have started some, albeit hilarious, storyline of me and RB walking out of a buffet together. That being said, I just spoke to RB (ahahaha!) on the phone, and had an honest conversation about my opinion of the coverage of WillC on their latest youtube episode (as much as I despise WillC, I thought it was not in the spirit of running across the USA). Anyway, I had brought up fundraising, and he confirmed that they are directing all funds to charity, and not accepting anything from gofundme to cover costs of producing the run. It was one thing I know many other transcon runners have seemed to sneak around, so I’m happy to confirm that. I’ll hold them to it to show the accountability at the end, of course, but this run sounds to be otherwise funded in advance.
Ok, so you 'despise' WillC and you have RB on speeddial?
Kinda explains why you're so staunchly in the camp that you are. Your views are biased and therefore disregarded.
(which nobody has given a plausible suggestion for how they could be cheating anyway!)
A reminder that both Goodge and Balenger (who have similar height and build) both often run with a balaclava-type head coverings and shades in all weathers and don't like anybody getting close.
Why leave the tracker in the van? Why not just hand it to the person you’re handing the watch to? And presumably the person you are giving the watch to happens to run at heart rates that WVC deems to be unfeasibly low.
I know most trolls on here (boogerjohnson really) have started some, albeit hilarious, storyline of me and RB walking out of a buffet together. That being said, I just spoke to RB (ahahaha!) on the phone, and had an honest conversation about my opinion of the coverage of WillC on their latest youtube episode (as much as I despise WillC, I thought it was not in the spirit of running across the USA). Anyway, I had brought up fundraising, and he confirmed that they are directing all funds to charity, and not accepting anything from gofundme to cover costs of producing the run. It was one thing I know many other transcon runners have seemed to sneak around, so I’m happy to confirm that. I’ll hold them to it to show the accountability at the end, of course, but this run sounds to be otherwise funded in advance.
Ok, so you 'despise' WillC and you have RB on speeddial?
Kinda explains why you're so staunchly in the camp that you are. Your views are biased and therefore disregarded.
I think it's utterly hilarious that Sneakers On The Ground gets exactly five upvotes for all his posts. Umm... it's pretty freakin' obvious all those votes are from people in Will G's support van. I can picture them all reading the nonsensical posts: "You got 'em good, Sneakers. You're the bestest arguer ever. Plus you totally come across as an unbiased bystander. They'll never suspect that you're one of us!"
Why leave the tracker in the van? Why not just hand it to the person you’re handing the watch to? And presumably the person you are giving the watch to happens to run at heart rates that WVC deems to be unfeasibly low.
The tracker in the van is one less thing they need to care about. Wasn't the low heart rate of another person involved what Will C drew attention to?
No his major development was that RB had a similar pattern (high heart rate dropping to very low hr later in the run) So RB would have had to have had a low hr accomplice too. Maybe they used the same one and he’s been hiding in the van all along!
