Hold on : Is Slowerr/Tenzo/Newell saying without any kind of evidence that Kenyans would still dominate without doping (despite no Kenyan breaking 2:09 before EPO, and no Kenyan in the top 150 marathoners until the 80's - over 20 years after they became according to him 'the number 1 distance running country')? Is he really using Joe Rogan discussing doping in MMA as support? Is he really claiming after 250+ Kenyan doping busts that there is not a massive doping problem in Kenya as compared to other nations?
What kind of fetish does this poor creature suffer from I wonder? No, actually, I'd rather not wonder about it...
I see you still struggle a lot with my name? It's very difficult, that's right, 7 letters.
Kenya has not become the no. 1 distance running country in 1964, I have never said this.
For the full period 1964 - 1979, Kenya was the most successful distance running nation (track). That's something completely different. And this is totally backed up by the facts.
But they couldn't produce Olympic champions, with the exception of Keino and Temu at altitude. So "successful"! But for an obvious failure like yourself, not winning is your definition of "success".
One apparent problem with the hypothesis that the Kenyans success of the 1990s was almost exclusively EPO-fueled is the following. Regardless of whether the Kenyans were triumphant at the 1968 and 1972 Olympic Games, their success looks mediocre in the early 1980s even if the running tribes may've still overperformed vs. their size. It is noticeable that their performance at the IAAF cross-country championships improves noticeably from 1985 onwards in a linear fashion.
Kenyan at the the IAAF XC-running World Championships (gold-silver-bronze)
The same pattern is evident in Olympic Games and T&F World Championships (gold-silver-bronze): 1980: --- (Boycott) 1983: 0-0-0 1984: 1-0-1 1987: 3-0-0 1988: 4-2-1
Switzerland was the first country to approve the use of EPO in 1988, a decision reported in the Swiss media just a few days before the opening ceremonies of the 1988 Summer Olympics, and it was later reported that the product was available from the famed pharmacies at all only from June 1989 onwards (one needed a prescription even then initially). And, as stated earlier, EPO wasn't at least pervasive if the data gathered in the IAAF competitions in 1993-94 is at least somewhat accurate.
I don't argue that Kenyan success is exclusively EPO-fuelled. As they currently show, with the busts they have incurred, they use a variety of drugs. EPO has commonly been used but not solely. They wouldn't have begun doping in the 1990's. Doping is clearly now typical in Kenya but it likely began several decades ago, as it did with other countries. I believe they are amongst the worst dopers but they have not been the only dopers by any stretch.
The good thing, you expose yourself more and more to be completely retarded.
I some sort of expected this (also it's hard to understand how someone can think so limited).
But the Vasala faster Keino issue actually came as a surprise. But when I think about all the stupiditys you have written just in this thread, it shouldn't.
According to your logic
Keino is faster than Ryun, Ryun is faster than Keino
Keino is faster than Clarke, Clarke is faster than Keino
Keino is faster than Vasala, Vasala is faster than Keino
Coe faster Ovett, Ovett faster Coe
A faster B, B faster A for almost any pair of top runners A und B
Kipchoge Keino has a faster 800m PB than Jakob Ingebrigtsen.
He was the world record holder for 3000m and 5000n as well as 2nd fastest ever over 1500m and the Mile, 3rd fastest ever over 10000m and 7th fastest ever in the steeple.
No other runner was faster than Keino, what a nonsense.
But I'm happily looking forward for your next expotion of your stupidity.
You really need pills for your delirium. You said "not a single runner was faster than Keino in his era". A bunch of runners were. They ran faster times (Clarke, Ryun) and beat him in Olympic finals (Vasala). So you are both ignorant and a liar.
New self exposition to be completely retarded!
You said other runners were faster than Keino - what a nonsense.
But I see, if Keino doesn't has any world record from 800m to 10000m, others are faster. Your stupidity has no limit.
A "faster" B for you is synonymous with A has beaten B in a race sometimes and/or A has a faster PB in some event.
So for most pairs of runners A and B, A is faster than B and B is faster than A.
Hold on : Is Slowerr/Tenzo/Newell saying without any kind of evidence that Kenyans would still dominate without doping (despite no Kenyan breaking 2:09 before EPO, and no Kenyan in the top 150 marathoners until the 80's - over 20 years after they became according to him 'the number 1 distance running country')? Is he really using Joe Rogan discussing doping in MMA as support? Is he really claiming after 250+ Kenyan doping busts that there is not a massive doping problem in Kenya as compared to other nations?
What kind of fetish does this poor creature suffer from I wonder? No, actually, I'd rather not wonder about it...
I see you still struggle a lot with my name? It's very difficult, that's right, 7 letters.
Kenya has not become the no. 1 distance running country in 1964, I have never said this.
For the full period 1964 - 1979, Kenya was the most successful distance running nation (track). That's something completely different. And this is totally backed up by the facts.
So what role has chronic doping played in Kenya success? Of course - this is the question you won't answer. It makes a mockery of all your arguments - as it does Kenyan running.
You really need pills for your delirium. You said "not a single runner was faster than Keino in his era". A bunch of runners were. They ran faster times (Clarke, Ryun) and beat him in Olympic finals (Vasala). So you are both ignorant and a liar.
New self exposition to be completely retarded!
You said other runners were faster than Keino - what a nonsense.
But I see, if Keino doesn't has any world record from 800m to 10000m, others are faster. Your stupidity has no limit.
A "faster" B for you is synonymous with A has beaten B in a race sometimes and/or A has a faster PB in some event.
So for most pairs of runners A and B, A is faster than B and B is faster than A.
But this definitely is beyond you.
Your stupidity has no limit, really.
I'm waiting for the next self exposition.
Are you actually insane? Any runner who ran faster than Keino's best in his era - as Ryun and Clarke both did - is therefore a faster runner. So is a runner who beat him in an Olympic final. But you are certainly doing your best to set your own record here, for psychotic delusions.
I see you still struggle a lot with my name? It's very difficult, that's right, 7 letters.
Kenya has not become the no. 1 distance running country in 1964, I have never said this.
For the full period 1964 - 1979, Kenya was the most successful distance running nation (track). That's something completely different. And this is totally backed up by the facts.
But they couldn't produce Olympic champions, with the exception of Keino and Temu at altitude. So "successful"! But for an obvious failure like yourself, not winning is your definition of "success".
Kenya has boycotted the 76 games.
You are missing two Golds.
Kenya has had three Olympic champions in this period, no country has had more.
Your stupidity has no limit. Kenya has had the most medals at the Olympics.
So, any country did terrible in this period. According to you.
By far most world records.
Dominating nation at the Commonwealth Games.
Only nation which ha shad a runner in the all-time top 2 in any event from 800m to 10000m incl. steeple.
Why don't you mention all of this?
Which country was more successful in this period? Just name one country.
New Zealand, Australia, USA, UK, Finland are some candidates. Or the Philippines, Costa Rica, Mali? Which one?
It's an easy exercise, name just one country, and tell me why you think they were more successful than Kenya in this period.
I see you still struggle a lot with my name? It's very difficult, that's right, 7 letters.
Kenya has not become the no. 1 distance running country in 1964, I have never said this.
For the full period 1964 - 1979, Kenya was the most successful distance running nation (track). That's something completely different. And this is totally backed up by the facts.
So what role has chronic doping played in Kenya success? Of course - this is the question you won't answer. It makes a mockery of all your arguments - as it does Kenyan running.
You said other runners were faster than Keino - what a nonsense.
But I see, if Keino doesn't has any world record from 800m to 10000m, others are faster. Your stupidity has no limit.
A "faster" B for you is synonymous with A has beaten B in a race sometimes and/or A has a faster PB in some event.
So for most pairs of runners A and B, A is faster than B and B is faster than A.
But this definitely is beyond you.
Your stupidity has no limit, really.
I'm waiting for the next self exposition.
Are you actually insane? Any runner who ran faster than Keino's best in his era - as Ryun and Clarke both did - is therefore a faster runner. So is a runner who beat him in an Olympic final. But you are certainly doing your best to set your own record here, for psychotic delusions.
You top yourself with any post.
Keino was faster than Clarke in several events. Keino has beaten Clarke 9 times, mainly in Clarke's favoured events. Keino has better PBs than Ryun in several events and has beaten him.
Keino was faster than Vasala.
Your definition of "faster" mostly holds true for both runners you want to compare. How stupid can a person actually be?
Are you actually insane? Any runner who ran faster than Keino's best in his era - as Ryun and Clarke both did - is therefore a faster runner. So is a runner who beat him in an Olympic final. But you are certainly doing your best to set your own record here, for psychotic delusions.
You top yourself with any post.
Keino was faster than Clarke in several events. Keino has beaten Clarke 9 times, mainly in Clarke's favoured events. Keino has better PBs than Ryun in several events and has beaten him.
Keino was faster than Vasala.
Your definition of "faster" mostly holds true for both runners you want to compare. How stupid can a person actually be?
When did Keino run faster than 13.16.6? Or 3.33.1? So his best times over his specialist distances were slower than the records in his era. He was also slower than the Olympic 1500 champion in '72, whom he lost to. So Keino was both slower on times as well as in head to head races. But you know all about being slow, as it is your user name - which you are even unable to spell correctly.
Keino has beaten Clarke at the 1966 Commonwealth Games.
Keino has beaten Clarke at the 1968 Olympics.
Keino has beaten Clarke at the 1970 Commonwealth Games.
Anybody who reads this (my condolences to this person) sees that Armstronglivs is completely out of his mind.
Your claim was not that Keino beat this or that athlete but that he was faster than any other in his era. That is patently untrue, as Clarke's 5k record demolished Keino's best. The same applies to Ryun's 1500 record, which Keino's best was nowhere near. They were therefore faster runners. Of course Keino was also not as fast as Vasala when he lost to him in Munich.
You purport to express yourself in English but your arguments are little more than doggerel. It is obviously not a language you understand or have any competence in.
It is a simple point - although clearly beyond a simpleton - that a runner who beat Keino, as Vasala did, was faster in that race, and runners who achieved faster times than he did were also faster than he. So your claim that no one was faster in his era is false by either or indeed any measure.
So, what role has doping played in Kenyan success - since doping is clearly their specialty?
So what role has chronic doping played in Kenya success? Of course - this is the question you won't answer. It makes a mockery of all your arguments - as it does Kenyan running.
I have answered it several times.
Then once more shouldn't be a problem. What role has chronic doping played in Kenyan success?
Keino has beaten Clarke at the 1966 Commonwealth Games.
Keino has beaten Clarke at the 1968 Olympics.
Keino has beaten Clarke at the 1970 Commonwealth Games.
Anybody who reads this (my condolences to this person) sees that Armstronglivs is completely out of his mind.
Your claim was not that Keino beat this or that athlete but that he was faster than any other in his era. That is patently untrue, as Clarke's 5k record demolished Keino's best. The same applies to Ryun's 1500 record, which Keino's best was nowhere near. They were therefore faster runners. Of course Keino was also not as fast as Vasala when he lost to him in Munich.
You purport to express yourself in English but your arguments are little more than doggerel. It is obviously not a language you understand or have any competence in.
No, your claim was that other runners were faster.
On one occasion you use a single PB, on another occasion you use a single race.
Keino has a much better PB than Clarke in the 1500m, and also his 3000m WR is superior to Clarke's 2 Miles WR. Keino (5000m WR holder from 1965) has a better 800m PB than Jakob Ingebrigtsen (current 1500m Olympic champion). On the big occasions, Keino has beaten Clarke often (and they have not raced in the 1500m, where there would be no contest). The statement, Clarke was faster than Keino because of a better 5000m and 10000m PB is hard to beat in his ridiculousness.
Keino has a 1.4 second better PB than Vasala - so what?
Ryun at his middle distance best was better than Keino. But Keino has beaten Ryun in his event on the biggest occasion and has better PBs in any longer event. To summarize this as "Ryun was faster" is stupidity.
You just can change the subject, always.
I have answered your question several times, for example in this thread on page 38. But I know it's just a diversionary tactic.
Which country was more successful than Kenya in the track distances in the period 1964 - 1979? It's an easy question.
Your claim was not that Keino beat this or that athlete but that he was faster than any other in his era. That is patently untrue, as Clarke's 5k record demolished Keino's best. The same applies to Ryun's 1500 record, which Keino's best was nowhere near. They were therefore faster runners. Of course Keino was also not as fast as Vasala when he lost to him in Munich.
You purport to express yourself in English but your arguments are little more than doggerel. It is obviously not a language you understand or have any competence in.
No, your claim was that other runners were faster.
On one occasion you use a single PB, on another occasion you use a single race.
Keino has a much better PB than Clarke in the 1500m, and also his 3000m WR is superior to Clarke's 2 Miles WR. Keino (5000m WR holder from 1965) has a better 800m PB than Jakob Ingebrigtsen (current 1500m Olympic champion). On the big occasions, Keino has beaten Clarke often (and they have not raced in the 1500m, where there would be no contest). The statement, Clarke was faster than Keino because of a better 5000m and 10000m PB is hard to beat in his ridiculousness.
Keino has a 1.4 second better PB than Vasala - so what?
Ryun at his middle distance best was better than Keino. But Keino has beaten Ryun in his event on the biggest occasion and has better PBs in any longer event. To summarize this as "Ryun was faster" is stupidity.
You just can change the subject, always.
I have answered your question several times, for example in this thread on page 38. But I know it's just a diversionary tactic.
Which country was more successful than Kenya in the track distances in the period 1964 - 1979? It's an easy question.
Just name one country.
You said no one was faster than Keino in his era. You have been shown to be talking out of your rear - as you always do. You also keep ducking the question about Kenyan doping. You are a pro-Kenyan troll who refuses to acknowledge that their success has gone hand in hand with an appalling doping record - the only record of theirs no one else will likely break.
No, your claim was that other runners were faster.
On one occasion you use a single PB, on another occasion you use a single race.
Keino has a much better PB than Clarke in the 1500m, and also his 3000m WR is superior to Clarke's 2 Miles WR. Keino (5000m WR holder from 1965) has a better 800m PB than Jakob Ingebrigtsen (current 1500m Olympic champion). On the big occasions, Keino has beaten Clarke often (and they have not raced in the 1500m, where there would be no contest). The statement, Clarke was faster than Keino because of a better 5000m and 10000m PB is hard to beat in his ridiculousness.
Keino has a 1.4 second better PB than Vasala - so what?
Ryun at his middle distance best was better than Keino. But Keino has beaten Ryun in his event on the biggest occasion and has better PBs in any longer event. To summarize this as "Ryun was faster" is stupidity.
You just can change the subject, always.
I have answered your question several times, for example in this thread on page 38. But I know it's just a diversionary tactic.
Which country was more successful than Kenya in the track distances in the period 1964 - 1979? It's an easy question.
Just name one country.
You said no one was faster than Keino in his era. You have been shown to be talking out of your rear - as you always do. You also keep ducking the question about Kenyan doping. You are a pro-Kenyan troll who refuses to acknowledge that their success has gone hand in hand with an appalling doping record - the only record of theirs no one else will likely break.
No, your claim was that other runners were faster.
On one occasion you use a single PB, on another occasion you use a single race.
Keino has a much better PB than Clarke in the 1500m, and also his 3000m WR is superior to Clarke's 2 Miles WR. Keino (5000m WR holder from 1965) has a better 800m PB than Jakob Ingebrigtsen (current 1500m Olympic champion). On the big occasions, Keino has beaten Clarke often (and they have not raced in the 1500m, where there would be no contest). The statement, Clarke was faster than Keino because of a better 5000m and 10000m PB is hard to beat in his ridiculousness.
Keino has a 1.4 second better PB than Vasala - so what?
Ryun at his middle distance best was better than Keino. But Keino has beaten Ryun in his event on the biggest occasion and has better PBs in any longer event. To summarize this as "Ryun was faster" is stupidity.
You just can change the subject, always.
I have answered your question several times, for example in this thread on page 38. But I know it's just a diversionary tactic.
Which country was more successful than Kenya in the track distances in the period 1964 - 1979? It's an easy question.
Just name one country.
You said no one was faster than Keino in his era. You have been shown to be talking out of your rear - as you always do. You also keep ducking the question about Kenyan doping. You are a pro-Kenyan troll who refuses to acknowledge that their success has gone hand in hand with an appalling doping record - the only record of theirs no one else will likely break.
You started this issue while claiming that other runners were faster than Keino (for sure in an attempt to downgrade his accomplishments).
I said it's not true, no runner was faster than Keino (regardless what exactly your definition of "faster" might be).
Than you came up with three examples of "faster" runners than Keino.
For two of those three you gave a single PB for one event, where Keino's PB is inferior (according to you, because of this they are faster)
For the third you gave one occasion where Keino has lost (because of this, acording to you, e is faster).
For the first two, Keino has a better PB over several distances, and has beaten them often (including the big occasions). To the third one, Keino has a 1.4s better 1500m PB.
All your "argumentation" is nonsense, pure insanity. And on the same level is your position regarding doping. No consistency.
You deeply fail in anything regarding just little bit of logic (Kenya was not the no. 1 distance running nation, because six other nations combined have done better and so on) and you also lack any sound knowledge about the history of athletics.