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Jim - just stop. Are these statements you are making what you really feel or are you just trying to stir the pot? I honestly can't tell if you hold deeply flawed views on mental health, consent and the appropriateness of athlete/coach relationships or if you are just willfully being churlish.

You seem to be hung up on the word "relationship" in the article. That can mean many things. For example, I have had an unfortunate relationship with you for the past 24 hours; can I walk away from this - sure. MB was in a relationship with a huge power dynamic in which her coach threatened to take away what was probably the most important thing in her life at that time if she didn't have sex with him. That relationship is built on coercion and would be very challenging to simply walk away from (especially at such a young age). MB puts it very well at the end of the article:

“This is how abuse of power works – the one in a place of power stays protected by the victim because the victim has too much to lose in speaking the truth,” she said. “The victim is the one who suffers, who is ostracized, who is labelled, who is forced to rebuild their life, while the person in power continues to reap the benefits of their power.

Based on your other posts here you are less anonymous than you think. If all the comments are things you wouldn't mind attaching to your real name, then keep spewing them I guess. But if they are things that you would be embarrassed to say in public, I suggest you stop.

jimmyx- While we have not heard DST side of the story and even if the sex was consensual, It never should have happened. I have coached many a minor sport team (not track) and the rules were always the same. You never put yourself in a position where you are 1 on 1 with a person under 18. One league even had a policy if you were in the dressing room and you were the only adult in the room you were to turn around walk out of the room and ask another coach or parent to enter the room with you. It is a simple CYA rule. DST crossed a line he never should have as an adult nor as a coach. This is 100% on his shoulders and he needs to held accountable for his actions regardless.

It is my understanding that she was hospitalized, because she was distressed about her relationship with DST. I am not a millennial and I understand that. It was easy for MB to be gaslighted as "crazy" given that she sought psychiatric help, and to me, this is one of the saddest parts of this story. There is absolutely no reasonable explanation for DST to take her out of the juvenile psych hospital and to have sex with her. None.

Barry Badrinath wrote:

jimmyx wrote:

She isnt blameless...

What is she to blame for?

jimmyx, what do you blame her for?

Jimmy, your homework is to read up on Criminal Code of Canada s. 153 - Sexual Exploitation.

Your spew throughout this thread is nothing more than a re-worded version of the "Delilah narrative". Young women as the seductress of men, who are powerless to stop it. The good news Jimmy, is that your narrative is meaningless. Under s. 153, whether the relationship appears consensual is irrelevant. A coach is considered by law to be in a position of trust over his athletes (See Graham James). If the athlete is under the age of 18, the relationship itself is considered exploitative, regardless of who initiated it, because of the extreme perceived power imbalance. The onus is on the person in a position trust to understand what their legal obligations are and to avoid such a relationship.

If this is too much for you to digest, Jimmy; I suggest you stay 100m away from schools, Rec Centres, and tracks at all times.

jimmyx wrote:

We don't know the extent of the second complaint...I am no longer involved in OUA sports, and tbh i couldn't care less to reach out to any of my friends to ask..Id assume if it was sexual the 2nd time it would have been a university aged athlete....which isn't all that bad and happens far more than you would ever imagine. Both male and female coaches of university teams constantly have affairs with adult athletes.

Only a focking obtuse jerk would confuse common for acceptable, appropriate, and healthy. Hell, you seem to admire it. That flunks basic humanity.

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Trackie Silencing Women

So I've noticed the thread regarding Taylor Milne being fired has been removed. This thread was discussing the negative impact his inappropriate behaviour had on female athletes. Yet a thread openly discussing the policing of women in track is alive and well (i.e. IAAF next move on testosterone). It seems women's bodies are a hot topic, but our voices and the truth about our experiences in this sport are not welcome. Your sexism is showing, Trackie.

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Trackie seems to be pretty cautious in allowing posts and remove just about anything if you ask them to. I heard a rumour that DST threatened to stop using the TrackieReg race registration services before the thread was removed. If he did threaten them, or if they heard that he was considering not using their business, which would have to be a big chunk of business for Trackie and could be devastating for a small business - especially if DST pulled strings to get other people to stop using them - it seems pretty possible they would just take the thread down to avoid that. But maybe it's totally whatever narrative you want to make up to support your agenda.

wejo wrote:

I think the Megan Brown allegations (or is this considered proven/admitted ? as this point) are on a completely different magnitude than anything else. A 38 year old having sex with a minor is on a completely different order of magnitude than getting other women to run while injured or possible favoritism within Athletics Canada. Mary Cain inspired Megan to come forward but the cases themselves are very different outside of both being about abuse of trust and a power imbalance. The pushing women to run while injured stuff is completely different than sexually abusing a minor.

I don't think they are very different. One is certainly WORSE and deserves more severe punishment, but the root of the issue in both cases is coaches abusing their power.

A sports culture that allows coaches like Alberto to abuse their power is one in which sexual predators also thrive.

Look at gymnastics. Emotional and verbal abuse has been the norm at the higher levels of the sport, and it leaves gymnasts primed for sexual abuse when they encounter an even worse individual within that sport.

There is a saying that not every coach is a predator, but every predator wants to coach.

We have to shift the culture of our sport (and all sports) in a way that makes it harder for predators to hide in plain sight.

Most people within the track and field community today do not think it is acceptable for coaches to be romantically involved with minors, but as soon as they hit 18, there are still a lot of people in this sport who think they are fair game, regardless of the imbalance of power.

jimmyx wrote:

MB, crazy/attention seeking, yes...

It's almost like being sexually abused as a child has an impact on someone's behavior...

polevaultpower wrote:

I don't think they are very different.

Raping a minor isn't very different than weighing an athlete and calling her fat when she was fat.

Got it.

Do you really? Both result from someone who is abusing their power and trust over a victim who will then wind up significantly traumatized. Just because you can be arrested for one and not the other doesn't mean that the latter scars the victim profoundly. We're talking real, human terms here, try to keep up. You quoted out of context to twist meaning, don't let being upset at what you see lead you to be disingenuous. There are a lot of people saying awful, thoughtless, and unreasonable things on this thread, polevaultpower isn't one of them.

Just because you can be arrested for one and not the other doesn't mean that the latter doesn't scar the victim profoundly.

In addition to what you mentioned, there was also mention of a lawyer being brought in, according to what I heard.

You should never be allowed near female runners with an attitude like you have. I sincerely hope you are no longer playing a role in OU sports.

So in your little world, if he doesn't get arrested, the relationship is appropriate?

Perhaps, you'd like to show me what's slanderous? The meta data on the emails will confirm that Megan Brown was 17 when the relationship started. There is corroborating evidence that there was a sexual relationship. So maybe you need to stop tossing around jargon until you can figure out what it actually means and how it's used.

Time to cut the crap Jimmy, it's pretty obvious to most of us viewing here that if you're not just trolling, you're one of Dave's inner-circle, scared as Hell that you're losing your little piece of Canadian track fiefdom. Your viewpoint has been proven absolutely WRONG. Instead of moving on with your life, you insist on doubling down.

GET LOST

fred wrote:

CanadaEH? wrote:

Those are 2 great runners who are based in Guelph, but what does your comment that have to do with DST? Because you are supporting a coach who acted unethical to the point that they were fired from their job.

Not sure what "clean running" means in your above post as doping or personal hygiene aren't relevant to this discussion.

There is no discussion. No one has stated exactly what he has done.

If you are using the word ethical, I already said that the concept is relative. You go about your daily chores living in illusionary mental constructs,.

What do you mean? He had sex with a minor. I think thats considered rape.

jimmyx wrote:

RE: Criminal Code of Canada s. 153 - Sexual Exploitation.

So when the charges get laid, then you will be correct, until then you are the one slandering and spewing misinformation.

If the police don't lay charges theres a reason for is.

It's only slander or misinformation if the statement is proved false.

Slander does not depend on when charges get laid, but rather when a minor athlete didn't get laid.

That part of the world has a buildup in Corona Virus cases, with a cruise ship quarantined off the coast. This is not a positive event.