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It was you who heralded the Kenyan arrival from a 7th place getter in 1956. You lack the wits to follow your own arguments. But despite blowing your Kenyan trumpet with your highly-selective statistics what you won't do is answer the question, what role has their chronic doping played in Kenya success? If it was shown that any other country had doped as much in their national sport their achievements would be regarded with derision.
You are extremely handicapped. In 1956 they competed for the 1st time at the Olympics. In 1964 they firstly resached world class. I have not contradicted anything I said. If you want to summarize the achievements of the Brits in their "golden era" you don't start in 1846 but in 1977 or 1978.
I have answered your question several times, I can't help you if you can't and/or don't want to read. I have answered it - several times you mentally ill person.
You just use this again and again to distract.
You have just avoided it again, by saying you have already answered it. It's called deflection.
And to your laughable statement, other runners were faster than Kipchoge Keino: no, not a single one was faster than Keino in his era. Not a single one.
And to your laughable statement, other runners were faster than Kipchoge Keino: no, not a single one was faster than Keino in his era. Not a single one.
Hold on: Is Coevett saying EPO only is taken by and helps Kenyans in the Marathon? Wow.
The rate of busts coming out of Kenya these days - many of them marathon runners - suggests they are world leaders when it comes to doping.
Really? “World leaders when it comes to doping.” Do they all have a Ph.D? Here is a fact: you dope a Kenyan and you dope a white runner with EPO and the Kenyan wins EVERY TIME. You don’t dope a Kenyan and you don’t dope a white personality and the Kenyan Wins Every Time. Deal with it.
The rate of busts coming out of Kenya these days - many of them marathon runners - suggests they are world leaders when it comes to doping.
Really? “World leaders when it comes to doping.” Do they all have a Ph.D? Here is a fact: you dope a Kenyan and you dope a white runner with EPO and the Kenyan wins EVERY TIME. You don’t dope a Kenyan and you don’t dope a white personality and the Kenyan Wins Every Time. Deal with it.
How many Kenyans have been busted in the last couple of years? How does this compare with any other country? Yep - the Kenyans are leading the world there.
Hold on: Is Coevett saying EPO only is taken by and helps Kenyans in the Marathon? Wow.
Hold on : Is Slowerr/Tenzo/Newell saying without any kind of evidence that Kenyans would still dominate without doping (despite no Kenyan breaking 2:09 before EPO, and no Kenyan in the top 150 marathoners until the 80's - over 20 years after they became according to him 'the number 1 distance running country')? Is he really using Joe Rogan discussing doping in MMA as support? Is he really claiming after 250+ Kenyan doping busts that there is not a massive doping problem in Kenya as compared to other nations?
What kind of fetish does this poor creature suffer from I wonder? No, actually, I'd rather not wonder about it...
Doping is completely different in MMA, disgusting though it is (and in some ways worse, given that they are hitting each other - as GSP said, doping in MMA is the use of an illegal biological weapon).
Particularly in MMA (rather than just boxing or wrestling), there are hundreds or thousands of techniques that have to be mastered. Doping will not turn a sub elite level fighter into a champion. Despite that, when USADA started testing UFC athletes a few years ago, it's fair to say that the title belts changed hands very quickly in severaly weight classes, and once dominant fighters became faded relics. A guy like Michael Bisping, who had been vocal about doping all his career, and who was considered largely a gatekeeper, suddenly started beating legends like Anderson Silva (one of the first to be popped with the new testing), and became champion in his thirties - and he was literally blind in one eye. He had been blinded in one eye - and had to have that eye removed - after taking a lightening fast head kick from Vitor Belfort, one of the most notoriously juiced fighters, and who appeared like a slow and ponderous deflated balloon the moment he couldn't roid to the hilt anymore.
In running, doping turns the sport into the WWE. A complete sham. Despite what a few anti-science weirdos here say, EPO works, all the science and multiple studies show it works and shaves minutes off of marathon times, 3% off 5K times. This is the difference between a guy who doesn't even make the Olympics to a potential gold medal winner. Kenyan performances since the EPO era are as believable as 'The Rock' VS 'Hulk Hogan'. To conclude from their performances since the invention of EPO, that they have some clear genetic advantage, in the light of more doping busts than just about the rest of the non-African and non-Soviet world combined, is pretty sick and a sign of some mental health problem. Not sure why I am even bothering to argue against you.
Indeed, by 1984 they had produced only one more Olympic champion - in a minority event - the 3k steeple. Still then not the world's best running nation. That needed the arrival of EPO.
When do you date the arrival of EPO in athletics roughly? All knowm certain is that the hemoglobin distribution curves were quite normal and only one sample had higher than normal hemoglobin level in the paper published in 1997, when a group of anti-doping specialists tested the best athletes of international T&F events in 1993-1994 (from the paper):
The athletes studied were those who were chosen for doping control during four IAAF meetings in 1993 and four in 1994 (Oslo, Zurich, Berlin and Brussels). All samples were taken during doping control immediately after the sport event.
From confessions and inquiries, it is also known that almost all cyclists, whose EPO use pattern use is known, are known to have taken EPO from 1993-1994 onwards even when there are a some random known cases dating a year or two before that time period, the first somewhat reliable gossip dating 1990, c:a one year after the first European countries and USA approved EPO for sale.
The rate of busts coming out of Kenya these days - many of them marathon runners - suggests they are world leaders when it comes to doping.
Really? “World leaders when it comes to doping.” Do they all have a Ph.D? Here is a fact: you dope a Kenyan and you dope a white runner with EPO and the Kenyan wins EVERY TIME. You don’t dope a Kenyan and you don’t dope a white personality and the Kenyan Wins Every Time. Deal with it.
I guess this is a troll? Wightman, Jakob, Fisher, Kerr, Katir, Gomez, Hoare, etc all competitive with today's top Kenyans regardless of the level of juicing involved. Either all the Kenyans are clean and the above and others are juicers, or your statement is BS. The world is a big place, and people from any country can be competitive with the right frame and work ethic, given a clean field.
Indeed, by 1984 they had produced only one more Olympic champion - in a minority event - the 3k steeple. Still then not the world's best running nation. That needed the arrival of EPO.
When do you date the arrival of EPO in athletics roughly? All knowm certain is that the hemoglobin distribution curves were quite normal and only one sample had higher than normal hemoglobin level in the paper published in 1997, when a group of anti-doping specialists tested the best athletes of international T&F events in 1993-1994 (from the paper):
The athletes studied were those who were chosen for doping control during four IAAF meetings in 1993 and four in 1994 (Oslo, Zurich, Berlin and Brussels). All samples were taken during doping control immediately after the sport event.
From confessions and inquiries, it is also known that almost all cyclists, whose EPO use pattern use is known, are known to have taken EPO from 1993-1994 onwards even when there are a some random known cases dating a year or two before that time period, the first somewhat reliable gossip dating 1990, c:a one year after the first European countries and USA approved EPO for sale.
EPO was developed medically by the mid-eighties. What I have read suggests it began to be used in sports by about 1990. Of course, one of the difficulties about dating its use amongst athletes is that there was no test for it until more than a decade later. This meant it could be used with impunity. I have no doubt it was.
Quite apart from that, it is known that blood doping was being practiced at least a couple of decades earlier, as well as a variety of steroids and stimulants. The general picture I have is that doping began as the rare and largely experimental exception but as its benefits became better known the increase in use became exponential. It is well known that it was a "weapon" in the Cold War but it wasn't confined to that theatre. It has so changed elite and professional sport that it is impossible to consider they could exist now without it. In a way, I think that is what Rogan is also saying - that doping can't be separated from any consideration of who is the best. It's part of the equation.
And to your laughable statement, other runners were faster than Kipchoge Keino: no, not a single one was faster than Keino in his era. Not a single one.
Kipchoge Keino: 13.24
Ron Clarke: 13.16.6.
He did it! He really did it.
The good thing, you expose yourself more and more to be completely retarded.
I some sort of expected this (also it's hard to understand how someone can think so limited).
But the Vasala faster Keino issue actually came as a surprise. But when I think about all the stupiditys you have written just in this thread, it shouldn't.
According to your logic
Keino is faster than Ryun, Ryun is faster than Keino
Keino is faster than Clarke, Clarke is faster than Keino
Keino is faster than Vasala, Vasala is faster than Keino
Coe faster Ovett, Ovett faster Coe
A faster B, B faster A for almost any pair of top runners A und B
Kipchoge Keino has a faster 800m PB than Jakob Ingebrigtsen.
He was the world record holder for 3000m and 5000n as well as 2nd fastest ever over 1500m and the Mile, 3rd fastest ever over 10000m and 7th fastest ever in the steeple.
No other runner was faster than Keino, what a nonsense.
But I'm happily looking forward for your next expotion of your stupidity.
Hold on: Is Coevett saying EPO only is taken by and helps Kenyans in the Marathon? Wow.
Hold on : Is Slowerr/Tenzo/Newell saying without any kind of evidence that Kenyans would still dominate without doping (despite no Kenyan breaking 2:09 before EPO, and no Kenyan in the top 150 marathoners until the 80's - over 20 years after they became according to him 'the number 1 distance running country')? Is he really using Joe Rogan discussing doping in MMA as support? Is he really claiming after 250+ Kenyan doping busts that there is not a massive doping problem in Kenya as compared to other nations?
What kind of fetish does this poor creature suffer from I wonder? No, actually, I'd rather not wonder about it...
I see you still struggle a lot with my name? It's very difficult, that's right, 7 letters.
Kenya has not become the no. 1 distance running country in 1964, I have never said this.
For the full period 1964 - 1979, Kenya was the most successful distance running nation (track). That's something completely different. And this is totally backed up by the facts.
One apparent problem with the hypothesis that the Kenyans success of the 1990s was almost exclusively EPO-fueled is the following. Regardless of whether the Kenyans were triumphant at the 1968 and 1972 Olympic Games, their success looks mediocre in the early 1980s even if the running tribes may've still overperformed vs. their size. It is noticeable that their performance at the IAAF cross-country championships improves noticeably from 1985 onwards in a linear fashion.
Kenyan at the the IAAF XC-running World Championships (gold-silver-bronze)
The same pattern is evident in Olympic Games and T&F World Championships (gold-silver-bronze): 1980: --- (Boycott) 1983: 0-0-0 1984: 1-0-1 1987: 3-0-0 1988: 4-2-1
Switzerland was the first country to approve the use of EPO in 1988, a decision reported in the Swiss media just a few days before the opening ceremonies of the 1988 Summer Olympics, and it was later reported that the product was available from the famed pharmacies at all only from June 1989 onwards (one needed a prescription even then initially). And, as stated earlier, EPO wasn't at least pervasive if the data gathered in the IAAF competitions in 1993-94 is at least somewhat accurate.
The good thing, you expose yourself more and more to be completely retarded.
I some sort of expected this (also it's hard to understand how someone can think so limited).
But the Vasala faster Keino issue actually came as a surprise. But when I think about all the stupiditys you have written just in this thread, it shouldn't.
According to your logic
Keino is faster than Ryun, Ryun is faster than Keino
Keino is faster than Clarke, Clarke is faster than Keino
Keino is faster than Vasala, Vasala is faster than Keino
Coe faster Ovett, Ovett faster Coe
A faster B, B faster A for almost any pair of top runners A und B
Kipchoge Keino has a faster 800m PB than Jakob Ingebrigtsen.
He was the world record holder for 3000m and 5000n as well as 2nd fastest ever over 1500m and the Mile, 3rd fastest ever over 10000m and 7th fastest ever in the steeple.
No other runner was faster than Keino, what a nonsense.
But I'm happily looking forward for your next expotion of your stupidity.
You really need pills for your delirium. You said "not a single runner was faster than Keino in his era". A bunch of runners were. They ran faster times (Clarke, Ryun) and beat him in Olympic finals (Vasala). So you are both ignorant and a liar.