Guelph Implodes

Guelph (Dave Scott Thomas)

Ottawa Lions (Andy McInnis and Ken Porter)

Edmonton Olympic Club (Ken Porter)

Dave Case (from Sudbury)

University of Toronto (David Hay)

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What about the guelph assistants...didnt a few of them get engaged or married to former athletes?

oldlegs wrote:Sadly, with no more than a slap on the wrist, DST went on to paint a picture of Megan as a "crazy stalker". I can state categorically that several Guelph (and Speed River) runners at the time spread this story--as I heard it over and over again. I won't name names, but they know who they are. (What is not clear is what DST told them, and why they felt so emboldened to trash her and believe their coach so wholeheartedly. )

I don't see any compelling reason to believe either party is a saint in this situation. He seems like he tried to "save" a vulnerable underage female....she seems like she craved validation and became a crazy stalker in order to get it. Not unusual for disordered personalities to be attracted to one another.

I certainly agree that if there was a sexual relationship while he was employed at a University and she a high school student then he should have been fired. Question is: do we really know that was the case?

Did you read the article at all? She was 16 and he was sending her love letters. She was 17 and he gave her an ultimatum to have sex or lose the only stability she had. He then gaslighted the heck out of her for two years.

Quit perpetuating the "crazy stalker" rumour. Nothing about her behaviour was remotely stalkerish. DST on the other hand, checking her out of a juvenile psych hospital for sex ... absolutely depraved.

See - this is the problem I have. What evidence do we have that he drove to the psych hospital...was able to check her out on a day pass...drove to a park and had sex with her...and drove her back to the hospital?

None.

Nothing about her behavior was remotely "stalkerish"? Okay...well....one big thing that the newspaper article completely glosses over....How did she end up living 3 doors down from him & his family?

please go away fred.

DST aside, so many people failed this young woman.

I wonder how many of them will be held to account?

jimmyx wrote:

Don't forget, she also failed herself...She should not get off scot-free.

Jim - she was a minor in an abusive athlete-coach relationship. I am disgusted with all of you.

jimmyx wrote:

I tend to agree with this opinion....theres a lot of easy questions that were not asked...and we have not heard DSTs side of the story...nor will we ever....hes best to just let it fade away...

The truth is probably somewhere in the middle, he was too old for her which is greasy....but she was also a little crazy and stalkerish...and part of this is taking out revenge for the relationship not working out...

Thanks for offering some perspective. I'm not undermining the seriousness of the issue either but I'll note that when it comes to stories, and I'm generalizing here, there are always two sides to every story. The globe article tells one side of the story. Again generalizing, side A could make up a plethora of lies and it would be accepted as truthful/the truth among the readers. Humans are a gullible species. This is the problem with the news and our clickbait society (for the money) of today. Now of course you will get many true, half true and some false stories that offer a one sided perspective but the fact that people accept all as true is exceedingly concerning. As a side note, I completely believe this particular story told by Megan and sympathize for her and her family and all affected either directly or indirectly. I'm simply trying to give some perspective on how perception of the news works amongst people.

So minors get away with zero repercussions? A minor can kill someone and go to jail...cheat on a test, get a slap on the wrist...but sleep with a married man with 2 young children and shes a victim?

Im not saying DST is innocent just saying she had plenty of opportunities to walk away and did not.

jimmyx wrote:

So minors get away with zero repercussions? A minor can kill someone and go to jail...cheat on a test, get a slap on the wrist...but sleep with a married man with 2 young children and shes a victim?

Im not saying DST is innocent just saying she had plenty of opportunities to walk away and did not.

Do you know anything about grooming, Stockholm syndrome or the psychology of abusive relationships?

You are really sick and totally ignorant. Unless she tied him down and raped him, it’s 100% his fault.

You do understand how biology works right? Maybe you had to much soy and suffer from low testosterone but any guy can totally see how DST could fall into this trap....not saying its right....but this is why teams have checks and balances in place because too much time around individuals and men revert back to behaviour from 200 years ago.

Yes its an often overused term and it is not compatible to this situation. It is generally for kidnapping situations not for a relationship between two people that are 20 years apart in age.

Appropriate yes, but held against her will.....hardly.

Would a direct physical discharge of energy into Fred's face be appropriate right now given his remarks about this situation?

jimmyx wrote:

its easy for her as an adult now to rationalize all her problems as being DSTs fault, but she was a troubled young girl before she met him, as the story says.

doesn't that make his behaviour even worse?

and the resulting consequences of that behaviour to be of greater magnitude?

it seems as though you're arguing against yourself.

No it doesn't, and many relationships start off because one person is in need of anothers companionship for whatever reason, and whose to say it didnt start off as a purely professional relationship, that in a year took a twist.

The majority of the me2 movement is based on, regret and revisionist history. You don't see many of the women that had successful outcomes and because massive movie stars complaining about the deal they signed up for. And don't kid yourself males make this sort of trade in hollywood many times as well.

Jim - the world has changed. Old men like you are thankfully being phased out of positions of power. If this came across your desk back in 2006 I can guarantee that it would have not been handled any differently than it was back then.

Just think for a moment ... who did you hear those "crazy girl" stories from? I bet from people protecting their program or from people who had been given that line from Guelph.

Blaming MB now for things that happened to her by a serial sexual abuser reveals a lot about who you are as a person. I hope you aren't coaching anyone right now because if you are I worry for them.

Jimmyx, I have no idea who you are--although we probably know each other. But you are so on the wrong side of this story. Believe your own misogynist BS...yes, our male instincts go off, but here's the news flash- young 16 year old girls are not to blame. I have coached, and have led 3 companies where all these same issues continually arise. Sure it would be easy to fall for an intern, or a young first year employee. Rule #1- don't do it. Rule #2- recognize that you have power over that situation, and even if a sexual situation (or genuine feeling) arises know the boundary--and NEVER cross it. Rule #3- Join a frickin' fight club instead.,

ps. I have known Megan for 16 years and have never found her crazy. Intense and driven-yes. Hard working and smart- yes. Crazy-no.

jimmyx wrote:

she was a troubled young girl before she met him, as the story says.

This is the exact reason why DSTs actions are particularly abhorrent. She was troubled, vulnerable and powerless. Dave knew that and decided to pursue her anyway. He took took out of juvenile psyche ward to have sex with her for christ sake!

Further, the notion that men are unable to control there sexually urges when they spend to much time with women is absurd. I work very closely with many women some of them very attractive but do not pursue relationships with them because I know it would create more problems that it would solve for me. It is really not that hard.