"Pandemic of the unvaccinated" CONFIRMED

More people are vaccinated than before, so there will be a higher percentage of sick but vaccinated people than before.

If we get to 100% vaccinated, then 100% of those sick with covid will have been vaccinated.

In the meantime, the article you linked showed plenty of evidence that the vaccinated were better off than the unvaccinated.

And there are no examples that show it would be better to be unvaccinated while contracting covid.

Lead Foil Hat XVI wrote:

Harambe wrote:

No, you have no proof according to the deniers.

They hold the following views with no apparent issues:

1) We cannot say COVID has long term effects because it's been less than 2 years.

2) We cannot say the vaccine DOESN'T have long term effects because it's been less than 2 years.

This is true, you can't say either of those things. I know you like to make up stuff and hope it sticks but the reality is that you can't speed up a time dependent process. There is no catalyst for understanding long term effects more quickly.

At the risk of repetition:

Can we agree that a lung transplant is a long-term effect?

Can we agree that amputation of a limb is a long-term effect?

Can we agree that DEATH is a long-term effect?

Do we really need to wait a few years on those?

Do you not believe that people have had lung transplants?

Do you not believe that people have had amputations?

Do you not believe that people have died?

Do we really have to wait two years or more to call those "long term effects"?

Star wrote:

More people are vaccinated than before, so there will be a higher percentage of sick but vaccinated people than before.

If we get to 100% vaccinated, then 100% of those sick with covid will have been vaccinated.

In the meantime, the article you linked showed plenty of evidence that the vaccinated were better off than the unvaccinated.

And there are no examples that show it would be better to be unvaccinated while contracting covid.

This. Well put.

My cousin had his foot amputated because he didn’t treat his diabetes. What’s your point with bringing up that and inflated death numbers?

You really do sound like a baby.

Wah some old people got a mildly worse flu this year wah.

Talk about science denier. There is ample evidence that a large part of recovery from any illness is mental.

Yawn^9 wrote:

My cousin had his foot amputated because he didn’t treat his diabetes. What’s your point with bringing up that and inflated death numbers?

Care to explain how death numbers are inflated?

Hint: you have to explain the tight correlation between excess deaths, hospitalizations, COVID deaths, and positive tests as well as the face that none of the other 5 largest causes of deaths showed a decrease in 2020.

You'd be the first COVID-denier in LRC history to complete this task so ... good luck!

2600 bro wrote:

Tuna Sandwich wrote:

It just shows how you call yourself a genius, you insult others, and you push your fearmongering discriminatory agenda, while based on wrong assumptions.

You are in a thread where you and others are spinning wildly to fearmonger the vaccines…

You are literally willing to sacrifice American lives to avoid admitting you were wrong. It’s downright hilarious.

No, nobody is fearmongering the vaccines here. You are fear mongering claiming kids are at grave risk to force vaccines on kids who do not need to be part of the experiment to protect yourself and your friends. Most of us are being reasonable and you are spinning words and accusing people of doing what you are actually doing. For the love of....., you are crazy and you have an obsession with being right even when you know you are wrong.

2600 bro wrote:

Yawn^9 wrote:

My cousin had his foot amputated because he didn’t treat his diabetes. What’s your point with bringing up that and inflated death numbers?

Care to explain how death numbers are inflated?

Hint: you have to explain the tight correlation between excess deaths, hospitalizations, COVID deaths, and positive tests as well as the face that none of the other 5 largest causes of deaths showed a decrease in 2020.

You'd be the first COVID-denier in LRC history to complete this task so ... good luck!

Rea easy bro:

1.) The government adjust the rules so institutions have to report all deaths with an overly sensitive covid test reading positive as a covid death. The hospitals are not only compensated for doing so be are at risk for laible if they do not do so, so they just follow the rules they are given. Then people like you claim the only way this can happen is if doctors are evil and conspiring together, when that is the furthest from the truth

2.) Sick unhealthy people are forced to stay home, wear masks and be sedentary for months on end, then low and behold theses already unhealthy people start dying more often right in line with thwe covid timeline so you can claim that excess deaths follow covid in "time and space" like you are making people believe you are Erwin or Werner or someone special.

3.) Sick and old people are scared out of their minds by crazy murderous nuthjobs like yourself and power money hungry media outlets to the point where when a covid outbreak hits an area they do not go to get treated for life threatening issues.....so they die, then get labeled as assumed covid or they come in catch covid and test positive while they die from the cancer that they were afraid to get treated.

4.) Excess deaths get inflated by a disingenuous CDC that decides to lowers its estimate of excess deaths by 1000 to 3000 extra per week just as the pandemic begins in mid March 2020 without telling anyone at all that that was why the numbers where so outrageous. Then liars like yourself claim an algorithm demanded they lower the estimate just exactly when the pandemic hit and that the change was necessary. Liar, you are a liar.

5.)We had 2, 3, may be 4-5 years of low death counts in the elderly populations that were extremely vulnerable and at risk which made it seem like everyone was dying, yet still nobody new anyone that actually was.

6.) You and many others who act like you bullied everyone and anyone who he thought about saying this makes no sense and then demanded we keep doing the things we were doing that were killing people, thus killing more people.

Yes, it has been a while, but I am back to claiming that the deaths of the past year and a half are largely the fault of arrogant idiots like yourself. You think you are smart because you have read some papers, while many others who have also read those papers and written those papers laugh at you for being ridiculous. The problem is the desperate people like yourself need to feel great and feel better so you have used the tools of guilt and deception to put yourself on top of others while you watch them die, and you laugh and people like you laugh....because you think you are better than people when in reality your are at the bottom of the barrel. This latter fact is why people lash out at you so much. It is because your arrogance has fueled chaos, despair and death for too long. Stop yourself and go home, focus on work and being good to the people around you and stop killing people with your nonsense.

Even a linear fit to the past 10 years of deaths gives 500-600k excess deaths. We have done this together.

You don't seem to have an explanation for the excess death correlating with COVID tests and deaths so it seems you admit the vast majority died of COVID - which is a good step in the right direction, you just claim they were unhealthy, or gonna die soon anyway, or whatever.

So it seems you're dangerously close to joining DanM: "deaths aren't actually bad."

You commitment to dogma has made you pawn for the "alt" media. Take a step back and reevaluate your priors.

Harambe wrote:

formerly present wrote:

RE long-term effects from Covid-19:

Can we agree that a lung transplant is a long-term effect?

Can we agree that amputation of a limb is a long-term effect?

Can we agree that DEATH is a long-term effect?

Do we really need to wait a few years on those?

No, you have no proof according to the deniers.

They hold the following views with no apparent issues:

1) We cannot say COVID has long term effects because it's been less than 2 years

2) We cannot say the vaccine DOESN'T have long term effects because it's been less than 2 years

No comment.

3) Trump Feb 2020 said . . .

2600 bro wrote:

Yawn^9 wrote:

My cousin had his foot amputated because he didn’t treat his diabetes. What’s your point with bringing up that and inflated death numbers?

Care to explain how death numbers are inflated?

Hint: you have to explain the tight correlation between excess deaths, hospitalizations, COVID deaths, and positive tests as well as the face that none of the other 5 largest causes of deaths showed a decrease in 2020.

You'd be the first COVID-denier in LRC history to complete this task so ... good luck!

We’ve been over this over and over.

Lefties like you just throw around terms like “Covid denier” to drum up emotional support for your illogical side. You won’t find anyone here who says Covid does not exist.

Noyankee wrote:

This is out of hand. It’s a constant shifting of data in order to prove dreams. The vaccinations are clearly not slowing the spread, thus they must be accelerating the spread. Simple logic. You can deduce from this that if we begin to slow the vaccines that we will slow the spread of the virus. Bio weapons are tricky folks but this is the pattern being exposed with time.

"Time and space", come on, if you don't say "Time and space" you don't sound smart like Bro and nobody will believe you.

he's not wrong.

DanM wrote:

Gap is narrowing. And of course, they are telling us only about people who were officially admitted and NOT those who are in the hospital under the infamous observation status.

Whatever happened to those headlines from late July screaming 99% OF COVID HOSPITALIZATIONS ARE AMONG THE UNVACCINATED.

You made up this 'infamous observation status' b/c you were so mad that the vaccine was working.

There is -zero- evidence this is being used to inflate vax effectiveness.

In low-vaccinated areas the ICUs are literally full of 95+ percent unvaccinated.

In higher vaxxed areas there are base-rates to take into account. This math is, as usual, beyond your ability or interest.

Why would you use a linear fit to deaths? It is not linear and you and Harambe drawing a line on a bar chart is not a linear fit; please, stop trying to sound smart. It is getting old.

Do you really believe that all people are affected just the same by this virus. So much so that you need to take rare examples and claim this happens to everyone even when it does not?

Let's use California as a state to consider.

Vaccination rate 54%

7 day average in Dec 2020 to Jan 2021 - 44,000 cases per day

During same period daily deaths - 562

August 2021 - 12,000 cases per day (less cases even though open, suggesting some effectiveness of vaccines in stopping transmission).

Daily deaths in same period, 100 - this is 2/3 of the deaths from Jan this year, pro rata'ed for number of cases

It is hard to get any idea of effectiveness because vaccination rates are so low.

The data in higher vaccinated countries is overwhelming.

Bro... you claimed deaths "fell off their growth trend" so we gave you the supposition that deaths always increase. Whatever fit a minor exponential to it over the past years (gonna look a lot like a linear). The point is that even simple, monotonically increasing approximations of the death rate, that satisfy your conspiratorial model still give 500k+ excess deaths. Thus the onus is on "team inflation" to explain those deaths along with the correlation to tests/covid deaths/hospitalizations etc.

You are missing the forest for the trees... We can squabble over 40k deaths but you basic concede all your points if you do...

Lead Foil Hat XXXI wrote:

Why would you use a linear fit to deaths? It is not linear and you and Harambe drawing a line on a bar chart is not a linear fit; please, stop trying to sound smart. It is getting old.

In November I had my doubts... but a year later I am 100% confident I am smarter than you.

Not saying I am smart thought ;)