Guelph Implodes

First off I'll say kudos to Megan for revealing her story. The G and M actually did a credible job and not just the spotty gossip mill clickbait article that's indicative of Internet culture today. Hopefully she can heal through telling the story.

On a side note, it's quite appalling and reactionary that people are calling for the university program to be shut down or sanctioned. Easy to say hiding behind a keyboard. That would ironically just lead to more innocent victims inside this whole thing aside from Megan and anyone else abused in the program.

Are you using the term 'victim' to both describe athletes who were abused and athletes who may lose an indoor track season? Please put this in perspective.

Td stocks and bizzcoin wrote:

First off I'll say kudos to Megan for revealing her story. The G and M actually did a credible job and not just the spotty gossip mill clickbait article that's indicative of Internet culture today. Hopefully she can heal through telling the story.

On a side note, it's quite appalling and reactionary that people are calling for the university program to be shut down or sanctioned. Easy to say hiding behind a keyboard. That would ironically just lead to more innocent victims inside this whole thing aside from Megan and anyone else abused in the program.

Knows Uncle Phil when he sees Uncle Phil wrote:

Let's not forget that EVERYONE in Guelph knew about this story and did NOTHING. NOTHING.

DST is a horrible monster, but the people that knew and just kept working with him are almost as disgusting.

Wrong, everyone in Guelph did not know what was going on. Not all the athletes were in the know of daves predatory behaviour. Almost all the athletes were lied to and manipulated by Dave and the people who knew. That's how Megan got mis-labelled and mis-judged as a psycho. That's how sociopaths can work, they victimize people and then spread rumours about the victim.

I'm not even sure where to begin. Very disgusting and I applaud Megan Brown for speaking out. I just read this thread for the first time. I see a lot of people were speculating about what was going on. Some even named Megan Brown. Others were alleging much less serious stuff. If this thread was about a US coach I bet we would have received a lot more complaints to remove posts. Moderating threads like this is an almost impossible task so if you have any insight on how to do it we'd appreciate it. A post naming Megan Brown almost certainly would have been removed if reported to us (we wouldn't want someone to be named as a sexual assault victim without them coming forward). But how to moderate this thread is of less importance now. I think the Megan Brown allegations (or is this considered proven/admitted ? as this point) are on a completely different magnitude than anything else. A 38 year old having sex with a minor is on a completely different order of magnitude than getting other women to run while injured or possible favoritism within Athletics Canada. Mary Cain inspired Megan to come forward but the cases themselves are very different outside of both being about abuse of trust and a power imbalance. The pushing women to run while injured stuff is completely different than sexually abusing a minor. The possible cover-ups obviously need to be investigated and everyone needs to think what they could have done better. Being such an outsider to the Canadian running scene I think I have a fresh perspective and I disagree with the idea everyone at Guelph had to know. There are posts like this:

Even if people heard rumors of a something improper, that doesn't mean they knew it was this or knew it was true. (The poster above may be saying Brown told him what happened which changes some things)

Sounds like DST was telling them Brown was obsessed with her. Sounds like his wife didn't know what was going on. Sounds like the University "investigated" and didn't take major action. So why should everyone at Guelph assume DST was having sex with a high school student? That is so above and beyond. Obviously it's easy to say now they knew what was going on but I don't believe it to be the case. I think the better question is to ask "Why didn't they think something more serious was going on?"

When there is smoke, there isn't always fire but a lot of times there is and I hope Athletica Canada, Guelph, and the running community as a whole can get to a better place with the truth coming out.

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Posters like this knew what was going on recently apparently. But why would he admit to it? Did that really happen? More likely it seems they just determined he was in their judgement lying.

polevaultpower wrote:

So Athletics Canada was asked in 2010 to ban a coach for having sex with a minor athlete he coached, and their response was to try and force the victim to share a hotel room with the abuser's wife?

Yes, and from what I understand is the Globe and Mail are going after the Athletics Canada enablers . Sad we need to rely on the Media as the moral compass on basic human goodness.

Thanks to LetsRun to provide a platform to discuss this important subject freely.

This proves again why message boards without censorship and without need for registration are so important.

On Trackie.ca every discussion about this topic was made impossible.

The Globe journalists used a lot of the hints given by anonymous users in this thread.

wejo wrote:

I think the Megan Brown allegations (or is this considered proven/admitted ? as this point) are on a completely different magnitude than anything else. A 38 year old having sex with a minor is on a completely different order of magnitude than getting other women to run while injured or possible favoritism within Athletics Canada. Mary Cain inspired Megan to come forward but the cases themselves are very different outside of both being about abuse of trust and a power imbalance. The pushing women to run while injured stuff is completely different than sexually abusing a minor.

The possible cover-ups obviously need to be investigated and everyone needs to think what they could have done better.

Another parallel, in addition to "abuse of trust and a power imbalance", is in the decade-long cover-ups, unfortunately, as well the coach misusing young females as objects.

Disgusting, all of it.

swooshster wrote:

polevaultpower wrote:

So Athletics Canada was asked in 2010 to ban a coach for having sex with a minor athlete he coached, and their response was to try and force the victim to share a hotel room with the abuser's wife?

Yes, and from what I understand is the Globe and Mail are going after the Athletics Canada enablers . Sad we need to rely on the Media as the moral compass on basic human goodness.

^This times a million.

Yeah, you posted the weather report in Guelph, remember? You thought it was all a big joke, creep.

Jesus Christ Fred - give it a rest. You have had only one post in this whole thread that made any sense and it was the one stating that you were wrong.

So at this point we have:

Guelph (Dave Scott Thomas)

Ottawa Lions (Andy McInnis and Ken Porter)

Edmonton Olympic Club (Ken Porter)

Any other club yet?

jajajkak wrote:

So at this point we have:

Guelph (Dave Scott Thomas)

Ottawa Lions (Andy McInnis and Ken Porter)

Edmonton Olympic Club (Ken Porter)

Any other club yet?

...Dave Case (from Sudbury), what club?

What's the Guelph teams graduation rate compared to that of other track programs around the province?

Are we sure that "win at all cost" culture didn't effect schooling and every event group?

There was a post in this thread that must have been deleted that alluded to a coach calling potential recruits who signed with another school to yell at them... are we sure that was DST?

Not the only Dave in Ontario...

Just read this article about what had occured. Really sad stuff for our sport.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-athlete-breaks-silence-about-sexual-misconduct-of-university-of-guelph/

Dave Case had his own club. DSSG, or something like that.

Her mother died. She was in a vulnerable state, and a significant person presented a pathway forward that addressed her emotional situation, and a way forward through direct physical discharge of energy.