"Pandemic of the unvaccinated" CONFIRMED

RE long-term effects from Covid-19:

Can we agree that a lung transplant is a long-term effect?

Can we agree that amputation of a limb is a long-term effect?

Can we agree that DEATH is a long-term effect?

Do we really need to wait a few years on those?

Let's really tell it like it is wrote:

I myself had a bad case of Covid over a year ago where I thought I was dying. Not wanting to go to hospital, I threw everything at it; high-dose vitamin D3, vitamin C, Zinc, NAC, and drank a ton of Echinacea tea like there was no tomorrow. Lost 12 lbs but recovered gaining my weight & strength back in about 3 weeks time.

Surely after this you're in favor of the vaccine for others, then? I mean you had a to take a cocktail of drugs (that did nothing), lost 12 lbs, and took 3 weeks to recover!

Nowadays people can avoid that with 2 shots. Seems like a good deal to me.

formerly present wrote:

RE long-term effects from Covid-19:

Can we agree that a lung transplant is a long-term effect?

Can we agree that amputation of a limb is a long-term effect?

Can we agree that DEATH is a long-term effect?

Do we really need to wait a few years on those?

No, you have no proof according to the deniers.

They hold the following views with no apparent issues:

1) We cannot say COVID has long term effects because it's been less than 2 years

2) We cannot say the vaccine DOESN'T have long term effects because it's been less than 2 years

No comment.

DanM wrote:

Infections, illness and hospitalizations are increasing rapidly among fully vaccinated people, according to data from the Maryland Department of Health and new research.

Over the past three months in Anne Arundel County, about 30% of the people hospitalized with COVID-19 are fully vaccinated.

There's a similar timeframe and trend in neighboring Howard County, where health officials said roughly 30% to 40% of people hospitalized with COVID-19 are fully vaccinated.

https://www.wbaltv.com/article/covid-19-vaccine-hospitalization-maryland/37503110

Hospitalizations/100,000 in Maryland: 13 Vaccination rate: 63

Hospitalizations/100,000 in Massachusetts: 7 Vaccination rate: 66

Hospitalizations/100,000 in Florida: 65 Vaccination rate: 53

Hospitalizations/100,000 in Alabama: 60 Vaccination rate: 38

Hospitalizations /100,000 in Louisiana: 42 Vaccination rate: 42

Hospitalizations/100,000 in Arkansas: 43 Vaccination rate: 41

Hospitalizations/100,000 in Mississippi: 52 Vaccination rate: 39

See the pattern here, chief?

Harambe wrote:

Lead Foil Hat XVI wrote:

They do not want to believe that such evil exists in this world. Most people on both sides of this and other dumb political arguments are both (1) very good kind people, and also (2) reasonably smart. Those seeking to divide are doing so intentionally....most news outlets do this, most politicians do this, and the very wealthy do this. Stop buying into their game....we all can be reasonable, we are all reasonable humans. Drop the anger and division and direct the anger towards the real enemies.

Plenty of threads on GOF research already.

Let's not let the subject shift from the incredibly dumb, harmful, and deadly mistake the unvaccinated are making. Thank you.

Roll call time!

Are you vaccinated?

I am.

I am better than vaccinated, I have natural immunity. Remember when you made fun of my claim that NI was better Harambe?

WWRD wrote:

I am better than vaccinated, I have natural immunity. Remember when you made fun of my claim that NI was better Harambe?

At the time the data did not support claims that NI was better than vaccination.

The recent study from Israel is BIG outlier that suggests NI is much better than vaccination for many contributing reasons. Of course, the study still finds that vaccines are very protective and that infection + vaccine is even better.

The data in the study look good and reasons! It was enough to make me change my mind and I await more studies that look at these conditions in detail.

Of course, proclaiming things without evidence is bad and updating your view to match new evidence is good. (Just a statement, no relation to the rest of this post.)

P.S. you should get vaccinated with a single dose. Looks like great sterilizing immunity.

myfreedumbs wrote:

DanM wrote:

Infections, illness and hospitalizations are increasing rapidly among fully vaccinated people, according to data from the Maryland Department of Health and new research.

Over the past three months in Anne Arundel County, about 30% of the people hospitalized with COVID-19 are fully vaccinated.

There's a similar timeframe and trend in neighboring Howard County, where health officials said roughly 30% to 40% of people hospitalized with COVID-19 are fully vaccinated.

https://www.wbaltv.com/article/covid-19-vaccine-hospitalization-maryland/37503110

Hospitalizations/100,000 in Maryland: 13 Vaccination rate: 63

Hospitalizations/100,000 in Massachusetts: 7 Vaccination rate: 66

Hospitalizations/100,000 in Florida: 65 Vaccination rate: 53

Hospitalizations/100,000 in Alabama: 60 Vaccination rate: 38

Hospitalizations /100,000 in Louisiana: 42 Vaccination rate: 42

Hospitalizations/100,000 in Arkansas: 43 Vaccination rate: 41

Hospitalizations/100,000 in Mississippi: 52 Vaccination rate: 39

See the pattern here, chief?

"State data shows that by the end of March, just over 111,000 Onondaga County residents had been immunized. By the end of August, that number had more than doubled, to over 285,000. The number of fully vaccinated people admitted to the hospital, though, was 13 times higher in August than in March: six admissions in March vs. 78 in August."

Harambe wrote:

Let's really tell it like it is wrote:

I myself had a bad case of Covid over a year ago where I thought I was dying. Not wanting to go to hospital, I threw everything at it; high-dose vitamin D3, vitamin C, Zinc, NAC, and drank a ton of Echinacea tea like there was no tomorrow. Lost 12 lbs but recovered gaining my weight & strength back in about 3 weeks time.

Surely after this you're in favor of the vaccine for others, then? I mean you had a to take a cocktail of drugs (that did nothing), lost 12 lbs, and took 3 weeks to recover!

Nowadays people can avoid that with 2 shots. Seems like a good deal to me.

True. You get 2 shots and catch Covid they take you straight to the morgue.

This is out of hand. It’s a constant shifting of data in order to prove dreams. The vaccinations are clearly not slowing the spread, thus they must be accelerating the spread. Simple logic. You can deduce from this that if we begin to slow the vaccines that we will slow the spread of the virus. Bio weapons are tricky folks but this is the pattern being exposed with time.

Noyankee wrote:

This is out of hand. It’s a constant shifting of data in order to prove dreams. The vaccinations are clearly not slowing the spread, thus they must be accelerating the spread. Simple logic. You can deduce from this that if we begin to slow the vaccines that we will slow the spread of the virus. Bio weapons are tricky folks but this is the pattern being exposed with time.

Google "Delta R0"

Is it more contagious or less contagious because of the vaccine?

India has 4% vax rate and cases are way down. Worlds largest population. Hmm.

Noyankee wrote:

Is it more contagious or less contagious because of the vaccine?

India has 4% vax rate and cases are way down. Worlds largest population. Hmm.

It would be useful to know what mitigation efforts have been instituted in India over the past few months, and what efforts, if any, were in place before the number of cases peaked in early May.

DanM wrote:

"State data shows that by the end of March, just over 111,000 Onondaga County residents had been immunized. By the end of August, that number had more than doubled, to over 285,000. The number of fully vaccinated people admitted to the hospital, though, was 13 times higher in August than in March: six admissions in March vs. 78 in August."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/onondaga-county-releases-data-more-vaccinated-people-ending-up-in-hospitals-this-summer-with-covid-19/ar-AAO3ZUm

Did you read the article that you linked? It says that the unvaccinated are anywhere from 3 to 7 times more likely to be hospitalized for Covid than those who are vaccinated, which seems contrary to what you seem to be arguing.

"From March 1 to June 30, the unvaccinated or partially vaccinated were hospitalized at a rate 7 times higher than the fully vaccinated. In July and August, however, that rate had dropped by more than half: The unvaccinated were about 3 times more likely to be hospitalized during July and August."

Harambe wrote:

WWRD wrote:

I am better than vaccinated, I have natural immunity. Remember when you made fun of my claim that NI was better Harambe?

At the time the data did not support claims that NI was better than vaccination.

It just shows how you call yourself a genius, you insult others, and you push your fearmongering discriminatory agenda, while based on wrong assumptions.

Wait, since you have no logic does this mean you are officially disqualifying yourself?

Tuna Sandwich wrote:

Harambe wrote:

At the time the data did not support claims that NI was better than vaccination.

It just shows how you call yourself a genius, you insult others, and you push your fearmongering discriminatory agenda, while based on wrong assumptions.

You are in a thread where you and others are spinning wildly to fearmonger the vaccines…

You are literally willing to sacrifice American lives to avoid admitting you were wrong. It’s downright hilarious.

Harambe wrote:

formerly present wrote:

RE long-term effects from Covid-19:

Can we agree that a lung transplant is a long-term effect?

Can we agree that amputation of a limb is a long-term effect?

Can we agree that DEATH is a long-term effect?

Do we really need to wait a few years on those?

No, you have no proof according to the deniers.

They hold the following views with no apparent issues:

1) We cannot say COVID has long term effects because it's been less than 2 years

2) We cannot say the vaccine DOESN'T have long term effects because it's been less than 2 years

No comment.

This is true, you can't say either of those things. I know you like to make up stuff and hope it sticks but the reality is that you can't speed up a time dependent process. There is no catalyst for understanding long term effects more quickly. That said, SARS1 and MERS give us insight even though they were more deadly. Were have generally never had severe long term issues before with mild corona virus infection so it is not a bad guess that we would see the same here. Despite, of course, any severe viral infection poses the risk of long term issues; certainly. For most people this should likely not be a worry, for the more susceptible it may be a motive to get the vax

Yes, on average. The more susceptible likely have much higher rates and should consider the vax. For everyone else, not so much, maybe a little bit higher, but not so much. Age bracket and health status matters in the probability game.

Gap is narrowing. And of course, they are telling us only about people who were officially admitted and NOT those who are in the hospital under the infamous observation status.

Whatever happened to those headlines from late July screaming 99% OF COVID HOSPITALIZATIONS ARE AMONG THE UNVACCINATED.