DJT indicted on four counts related to January 6

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11 months ago 08/05/2023 10:04am EDT

re: Jeff Wigand

Jeff Wigand wrote:
It’s not fair to credit Trump with the economic collapse of 2020 and unfair to not say that the recovery was all Biden’s.
What is fair to credit to Trump is the COVID vaccine. Operation Warp Speed is all Trump.

Operation Warp Speed was set up and run by a bunch of scientists (blasphemists who think humans came from apes!) and career government bureaucrats (The Deep State). The vaccines were developed by a bunch of libs in Cambridge, and it had the full support of virtually all of Congress. All Trump had to do was say "okay". If for some reason he had decided to nix the idea, it would have been one of the all-time dumbest decisions by a president in history.

11 months ago 08/05/2023 11:36am EDT

re: Not a tough decision

Not a tough decision wrote:
Jeff Wigand wrote:
It’s not fair to credit Trump with the economic collapse of 2020 and unfair to not say that the recovery was all Biden’s.
What is fair to credit to Trump is the COVID vaccine. Operation Warp Speed is all Trump.
Operation Warp Speed was set up and run by a bunch of scientists (blasphemists who think humans came from apes!) and career government bureaucrats (The Deep State). The vaccines were developed by a bunch of libs in Cambridge, and it had the full support of virtually all of Congress. All Trump had to do was say "okay". If for some reason he had decided to nix the idea, it would have been one of the all-time dumbest decisions by a president in history.

The mental gymnastics required of Trump supporters is off the charts.

11 months ago 08/05/2023 11:52am EDT

re: Wink wink

Wink wink wrote:
Not a tough decision wrote:
Operation Warp Speed was set up and run by a bunch of scientists (blasphemists who think humans came from apes!) and career government bureaucrats (The Deep State). The vaccines were developed by a bunch of libs in Cambridge, and it had the full support of virtually all of Congress. All Trump had to do was say "okay". If for some reason he had decided to nix the idea, it would have been one of the all-time dumbest decisions by a president in history.
The mental gymnastics required of Trump supporters is off the charts.

More crapola from the radical left. When I’m elected so much good will be done so many good people will be happy. And perhaps my haters like you will come around. Just wait.

11 months ago 08/05/2023 12:30pm EDT

re: DonaldJTrump

DonaldJTrump wrote:
Wink wink wrote:
The mental gymnastics required of Trump supporters is off the charts.
More crapola from the radical left. When I’m elected so much good will be done so many good people will be happy. And perhaps my haters like you will come around. Just wait.

I've been surfing around various message boards that lean your way, Donald. It is astounding how many people believe, or pretend to believe, that you were criminally charged with expressing your opinions on the 2020 election. Brilliant play by Fox, getting Dersh and Turley out in front (and apparently out of bed) so fast because the whole "assault on the First Amendment!" and "criminalizing free speech" schtick looks like it's entrenched now and probably will never go away despite reality.

11 months ago 08/05/2023 12:36pm EDT

re: Commode flusher

Commode flusher wrote:
DonaldJTrump wrote:
More crapola from the radical left. When I’m elected so much good will be done so many good people will be happy. And perhaps my haters like you will come around. Just wait.
I've been surfing around various message boards that lean your way, Donald. It is astounding how many people believe, or pretend to believe, that you were criminally charged with expressing your opinions on the 2020 election. Brilliant play by Fox, getting Dersh and Turley out in front (and apparently out of bed) so fast because the whole "assault on the First Amendment!" and "criminalizing free speech" schtick looks like it's entrenched now and probably will never go away despite reality.

When his cases go to trial, the "First Amendment" defense in this case will be abandoned as fast as the "he declassified all these documents, just by thinking about it," defense in that case.

Both are total and complete BS, intended to buy time through a news cycle or two and to give the faithful something to repeat online, to say at work, and to convince themselves is true or has merit.

11 months ago 08/05/2023 12:41pm EDT

re: This is the important one

An ex-president indicted for political crimes and an existing president under investigation for them as well. The voters in the USA should be ashamed of themselves.

11 months ago 08/05/2023 12:53pm EDT

re: RossiCheated

RossiCheated wrote:
When his cases go to trial, the "First Amendment" defense in this case will be abandoned as fast as the "he declassified all these documents, just by thinking about it," defense in that case.
Both are total and complete BS, intended to buy time through a news cycle or two and to give the faithful something to repeat online, to say at work, and to convince themselves is true or has merit.

Yeah, but it works for him. You can say that his defense strategy is a laughing stock and that everyone would be exhausted of him by now, yet he still keeps winning. I hate it. It takes 4+ years to build a case and bring an indictment. It will take another 3+ to get it to trial. The case will get thrown out because of his shenanigans, and by that time he will be halfway into a new term. I hate it, but I can’t fool myself into believing that he will ever face any justice.

11 months ago 08/05/2023 1:28pm EDT

re: Lenny Leonard

Lenny Leonard wrote:
RossiCheated wrote:
When his cases go to trial, the "First Amendment" defense in this case will be abandoned as fast as the "he declassified all these documents, just by thinking about it," defense in that case.
Both are total and complete BS, intended to buy time through a news cycle or two and to give the faithful something to repeat online, to say at work, and to convince themselves is true or has merit.
Yeah, but it works for him. You can say that his defense strategy is a laughing stock and that everyone would be exhausted of him by now, yet he still keeps winning. I hate it. It takes 4+ years to build a case and bring an indictment. It will take another 3+ to get it to trial. The case will get thrown out because of his shenanigans, and by that time he will be halfway into a new term. I hate it, but I can’t fool myself into believing that he will ever face any justice.

I certainly share that concern, but I also think that a lot of his Teflon Don image is more myth than substance.

Trump University?

He got crushed to the tune of about $25 million.

E. Jean Carroll?

In record time that jury found him liable, meaning he is and forever will be a man who sexually abused a woman, and it will cost him millions of dollars.

Yes, those are on the civil side, but we do see that he can be held accountable.

Also, we should consider that to totally avoid a conviction he has to go 78-0 across the three cases (with another indictment coming). Two cases were brought by DOJ. They have a conviction rate of well over 95%.

Can Trump go 78-0 against lawyers that almost never lose? It is more likely that he gets convicted on about 74 of the charges.

11 months ago 08/05/2023 1:52pm EDT

re: Noyankee

Noyankee wrote:
Flagpole wrote:
1) Hell isn't real.
2) Trump needs to be punished here and now.
3) He is going to lose in court. No way he wins all of them, and likely he loses ALL of them. This latest one will be super easy to win.
HA!! not a chance. are you criminalizing politics now? “if you like your plan, you can keep your plan”. this is a comic show run by dunces

Oh, the cult is strong with you. Not criminalizing politics. It IS a crime to conspire to overturn an election. It IS a crime to steal and hide government documents that don't belong to you. It IS a crime to cook the books so that you get favorable loans and pay fewer taxes. 70 felony counts against Trump so far with more coming. None of that is "politics." It is just Trump being a criminal.

He WILL be held accountable. He WILL be convicted...likely of multiple things. His freedom will be taken away.

You (and I'm being serious here as I care for all people, even stupid ones) need to talk to someone (like a counselor) to prepare yourself for when Trump is found guilty and his freedom is removed...because it IS going to happen. Trump isn't worth you being upset even a little bit when that happens. He's a loser. Don't let his demise bring you down.

11 months ago 08/05/2023 1:57pm EDT

re: RossiCheated

RossiCheated wrote:
Lenny Leonard wrote:
Yeah, but it works for him. You can say that his defense strategy is a laughing stock and that everyone would be exhausted of him by now, yet he still keeps winning. I hate it. It takes 4+ years to build a case and bring an indictment. It will take another 3+ to get it to trial. The case will get thrown out because of his shenanigans, and by that time he will be halfway into a new term. I hate it, but I can’t fool myself into believing that he will ever face any justice.
I certainly share that concern, but I also think that a lot of his Teflon Don image is more myth than substance.
Trump University?
He got crushed to the tune of about $25 million.
E. Jean Carroll?
In record time that jury found him liable, meaning he is and forever will be a man who sexually abused a woman, and it will cost him millions of dollars.
Yes, those are on the civil side, but we do see that he can be held accountable.
Also, we should consider that to totally avoid a conviction he has to go 78-0 across the three cases (with another indictment coming). Two cases were brought by DOJ. They have a conviction rate of well over 95%.
Can Trump go 78-0 against lawyers that almost never lose? It is more likely that he gets convicted on about 74 of the charges.

Yep. You are CORRECT! Trump has been treated with kid gloves this whole time too, and just because he's a former President, the reality is that the level of proof needed to convict is higher than for regular civilians. The prosecutors all understand that. They have the goods on him. They have him dead to rights.

Trump's freedom will be removed.

11 months ago 08/05/2023 1:59pm EDT

re: Flagpole

Flagpole wrote:
Noyankee wrote:
HA!! not a chance. are you criminalizing politics now? “if you like your plan, you can keep your plan”. this is a comic show run by dunces
You (and I'm being serious here as I care for all people, even stupid ones) need to talk to someone (like a counselor) to prepare yourself for when Trump is found guilty and his freedom is removed...because it IS going to happen. Trump isn't worth you being upset even a little bit when that happens. He's a loser. Don't let his demise bring you down.

I really wish Trump's followers would consider this.

To them I say:

Trump is not you. You are not Trump.

You didn't make him keep those documents or try to hide them after being subpoenaed.

You didn't make him create fake electors.

You didn't make him cook his business books.

You don't have to wear his stink on you.

He's a grown man who made his own choices and broke laws on his own.

You own none of this. Pivot. Do it now. Free yourself. Find a lifeboat and get in.

11 months ago 08/05/2023 2:07pm EDT

re: RossiCheated

Trumpers, I'm sure his federal prison will have reasonable visitation hours. This is your chance to meet your idol!

11 months ago 08/05/2023 2:08pm EDT

re: RossiCheated

RossiCheated wrote:
I certainly share that concern, but I also think that a lot of his Teflon Don image is more myth than substance.
Trump University?
He got crushed to the tune of about $25 million.
E. Jean Carroll?
In record time that jury found him liable, meaning he is and forever will be a man who sexually abused a woman, and it will cost him millions of dollars.
Yes, those are on the civil side, but we do see that he can be held accountable.
Also, we should consider that to totally avoid a conviction he has to go 78-0 across the three cases (with another indictment coming). Two cases were brought by DOJ. They have a conviction rate of well over 95%.
Can Trump go 78-0 against lawyers that almost never lose? It is more likely that he gets convicted on about 74 of the charges.

Fair enough. $25 million is literally chump change though to him. And he essentially is so well-liked by his constituency because he is a man who sexually abused women. People love that stuff.

I am saying that he doesn’t have to go 78-0, because more than half of those will get dismissed ahead of time, and he will have enough monkey shines that the rest will proceed indefinitely with no conclusion. I’d say there is a zero percent chance he is in prison before November 2024, which means he will likely be elected because people are stupid and the electoral college is bogus.

11 months ago 08/05/2023 3:27pm EDT

re: RossiCheated

RossiCheated wrote:
Flagpole wrote:
You (and I'm being serious here as I care for all people, even stupid ones) need to talk to someone (like a counselor) to prepare yourself for when Trump is found guilty and his freedom is removed...because it IS going to happen. Trump isn't worth you being upset even a little bit when that happens. He's a loser. Don't let his demise bring you down.
I really wish Trump's followers would consider this.
To them I say:
Trump is not you. You are not Trump.
You didn't make him keep those documents or try to hide them after being subpoenaed.
You didn't make him create fake electors.
You didn't make him cook his business books.
You don't have to wear his stink on you.
He's a grown man who made his own choices and broke laws on his own.
You own none of this. Pivot. Do it now. Free yourself. Find a lifeboat and get in.

There is a question I have for those who honestly believe Trump when he says the election was stolen from him (my question I believe was deleted, when I asked it before).

When Trump lost his primary to Ted Cruz and Trump claimed he only lost because Ted Cruz cheated, did you believe Trump then?

If you didn't believe Ted Cruz cheated for victory, do you think Trump lied then but is telling the truth now?

If you think Trump was telling the truth and Ted Cruz did cheat for victory, do you think its a just very odd coincidence that in both races Trump lost he was cheated?

No one has given me an answer on this.

11 months ago 08/05/2023 3:29pm EDT

re: RossiCheated

RossiCheated wrote:
Commode flusher wrote:
I've been surfing around various message boards that lean your way, Donald. It is astounding how many people believe, or pretend to believe, that you were criminally charged with expressing your opinions on the 2020 election. Brilliant play by Fox, getting Dersh and Turley out in front (and apparently out of bed) so fast because the whole "assault on the First Amendment!" and "criminalizing free speech" schtick looks like it's entrenched now and probably will never go away despite reality.
When his cases go to trial, the "First Amendment" defense in this case will be abandoned as fast as the "he declassified all these documents, just by thinking about it," defense in that case.
Both are total and complete BS, intended to buy time through a news cycle or two and to give the faithful something to repeat online, to say at work, and to convince themselves is true or has merit.

Once the Don taps into Tom Fitton it'll be game over.

11 months ago 08/05/2023 3:30pm EDT

re: Conundrum

Conundrum wrote:
RossiCheated wrote:
I really wish Trump's followers would consider this.
To them I say:
Trump is not you. You are not Trump.
You didn't make him keep those documents or try to hide them after being subpoenaed.
You didn't make him create fake electors.
You didn't make him cook his business books.
You don't have to wear his stink on you.
He's a grown man who made his own choices and broke laws on his own.
You own none of this. Pivot. Do it now. Free yourself. Find a lifeboat and get in.
There is a question I have for those who honestly believe Trump when he says the election was stolen from him (my question I believe was deleted, when I asked it before).
When Trump lost his primary to Ted Cruz and Trump claimed he only lost because Ted Cruz cheated, did you believe Trump then?
If you didn't believe Ted Cruz cheated for victory, do you think Trump lied then but is telling the truth now?
If you think Trump was telling the truth and Ted Cruz did cheat for victory, do you think its a just very odd coincidence that in both races Trump lost he was cheated?
No one has given me an answer on this.

Take your commie tactics elsewhere

11 months ago 08/05/2023 3:35pm EDT

re: alien observer

alien observer wrote:
An ex-president indicted for political crimes and an existing president under investigation for them as well. The voters in the USA should be ashamed of themselves.

They’re not political crimes. They’re real crimes against the country.

11 months ago 08/05/2023 3:48pm EDT

re: Trollminator

It would seem that, finally, the institutional immune system of the US is mobilized to destroy and expel the pathogen Trump.

Any liberal democracy-- let alone the world's oldest one, and the one that preserved its institutions in the face of the fascist example in the 1930s-- that could not muster such a defense would deserve everything it got.

To paraphrase a certain former president, you don't have a country (worth having) if you can't neutralize and excrete a figure like Trump from your body politic.

The US is a waning empire with many, many problems, but at least it remains a functioning liberal democracy... for now.

11 months ago 08/05/2023 4:13pm EDT

re: Flagpole

Flagpole wrote:
Noyankee wrote:
HA!! not a chance. are you criminalizing politics now? “if you like your plan, you can keep your plan”. this is a comic show run by dunces
Oh, the cult is strong with you. Not criminalizing politics. It IS a crime to conspire to overturn an election. It IS a crime to steal and hide government documents that don't belong to you. It IS a crime to cook the books so that you get favorable loans and pay fewer taxes. 70 felony counts against Trump so far with more coming. None of that is "politics." It is just Trump being a criminal.
He WILL be held accountable. He WILL be convicted...likely of multiple things. His freedom will be taken away.
You (and I'm being serious here as I care for all people, even stupid ones) need to talk to someone (like a counselor) to prepare yourself for when Trump is found guilty and his freedom is removed...because it IS going to happen. Trump isn't worth you being upset even a little bit when that happens. He's a loser. Don't let his demise bring you down.

quite amazing you have seen the trial already...that's exactly what Jack is looking for and why he pulsed a way into DC with 98% of the jury pool who thinks just like you. We need to waut and see how that evolves, I know Trump was advised certain things as Presidents are and that he wanted a peaceful protest...but, beyond that, who knows. plenty of time to see this through the courts i suppose, hes still young. good luck in Nov Chief! ur gonna need it

11 months ago 08/05/2023 4:19pm EDT

re: Noyankee

Noyankee wrote:
Flagpole wrote:
Oh, the cult is strong with you. Not criminalizing politics. It IS a crime to conspire to overturn an election. It IS a crime to steal and hide government documents that don't belong to you. It IS a crime to cook the books so that you get favorable loans and pay fewer taxes. 70 felony counts against Trump so far with more coming. None of that is "politics." It is just Trump being a criminal.
He WILL be held accountable. He WILL be convicted...likely of multiple things. His freedom will be taken away.
You (and I'm being serious here as I care for all people, even stupid ones) need to talk to someone (like a counselor) to prepare yourself for when Trump is found guilty and his freedom is removed...because it IS going to happen. Trump isn't worth you being upset even a little bit when that happens. He's a loser. Don't let his demise bring you down.
quite amazing you have seen the trial already...that's exactly what Jack is looking for and why he pulsed a way into DC with 98% of the jury pool who thinks just like you. We need to waut and see how that evolves, I know Trump was advised certain things as Presidents are and that he wanted a peaceful protest...but, beyond that, who knows. plenty of time to see this through the courts i suppose, hes still young. good luck in Nov Chief! ur gonna need it

So where is the White House located?

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