Can anyone explain Kipchoge’s consistency ?

Nobody cares about LA's power outputs on a marathon running a thread about Kipchoge. ?

Start a new thread about LA, or better yet go over to Cycling News' "The Clinic" where they have a bunch of LA doping threads and see how far you get with your nonsense about the him. Lol.

Ggggg wrote:

There are hundreds of Kenyan runners living the exact life pattern and training pattern as Kipchoge- so his lifestyle explains nothing.

This except not the way you were thinking. Kipchoge does everything right that he can control - as do many others. Based on his early track times he is obviously as talented as anybody.

So perhaps look at it this way - if you have a hundred guys who could dominate but the chances of them staying healthy, staying focused, and just plain good luck during training, is only 1% - you would still expect 1 person out of that 100 to have their stars align perfectly.

Now say that perfect alignment happens to one of or perhaps the most talented out of the 100 - well you get Kipchoge.

Another way to think about it - its unlikely you or I will win the lottery but the chances are 100% somebody will.

In Eugene (2012) Kenya organized the Olympic Trials for the race of 10000m. After 9600m, still 7 athletes were together, and I thought Eliud could win, because was the fastest in the race. Instead, with my big surprise, the winner was one my athlete (Wilson Kiprop) already World HM Champion in 2010, in 27'01"98, and Eliud was the last in 27'11"93, totally empty and not able to use his sprint.

Few minutes later, we were together in the room of antidoping. Eliud was silent for more than 5 minutes, and his first words, speaking with me, were "Today I understood I have no more the possibility to win a race on track. From tomorrow I will look at marathon".

Honestly, I didn't believe he could become a top marathon runner. On track, he never was a specialist of 10000m, but of 3000 and 5000m, running also some good 1500m.

Only 3 months later, Eliud ran his first HM in 59'25", but I continued to think his transfer to the road hadfto be very long and not surely successful, when in WHMCh he was only 6th in 61'52" in October.

Eliud worked several months, with patience, in proper way, following the training phylosophy of Patrick Sang and changing his mind, and, 6 and half months later, won his first marathon in Hamburg in 2:05:30.

I never met any athlete in the world with the professionalism of Kipchoge. He has full control for every action in his life, and LOVES RUNNING (like Haile, and not like Kenenisa...). He always had great interest in studying the human mind (he' was in University studying Psychology), and is able to analyse everything according to the feeling, combined with the reality.

Everytime he runs, he can add something to his confidence. This happens in training, such as in competition, and now there is no problem that he's not able to face.

For running a fast marathon, having good talent, the most important quality is the CONTINUITY. In this way, the body is ALWAYS ready for something that for the other athletes is SPECIFIC, but for him is still GENERAL, and for him few workouts of high intensity are already enough for running every time at the level of the current WR,

For explaining the consistency of Eliud, we don't have to look at some secret in his training, or in doping, or in the advantage of the shoes : WE HAVE TO LOOK AT ELIUD.

We can say that the real, and only, secret of Eliud is ELIUD. And, how happens with all the "phenomens", it's not possible to copy some ecception.

Humble Pie Man wrote:

The only criticism I have is that he sees his children very little. Are millions worth not being around your young children? I don’t get it why doesn’t his family live near the training camp so he can see them everyday? But on the other side a family takes a lot out of you. Would he be as successful if he was not around them everyday?

Now put it into context: "Coming from extreme poverty, I can understand why he is so focused on never going back to that lifestyle again and puts all his focus on his job so he can support his family."

I personally know a multi-multi-millionaire inventor who came from poverty in the U.S. and to this day lives in a little hovel of a home because he can't get out of the poverty mind-set. Drives his wife nuts.

Considerthis wrote:

Since when are all elites equal?? It's a bell curve and he's as far to the right as it gets.

I guess Newton was just on drugs he wasn't really smarter than everyone else.

Genius I.Q. is not improved by drugs; athletic talent is. All top athletes fall within the extreme end of the bell-curve - probably around 1 in a thousand. Amongst that tiny group, the natural differences in ability will be very small. Drugs can change your position in the group.

Genius intelligence, like Newton's, is characterised by a unique conceptual creativity. It cannot be predicted. That isn't the same for a genius athlete. They simply run faster than everyone else. They don't change the fundamental nature of the activity. As Lance Armstrong showed, you can utterly dominate your peers by doping. It simply enabled him to cycle faster than anyone else.

Ggggg wrote:

Subway Surfers wrote:

He trains properly.

And all the others, some of which train with him, don’t train properly??

He is the only one who trains properly in Kenya and Ethiopia ?

This and he only races twice a year,

Yes...really -- I'll defer to Dr. Schumacher, who is a world-renowned anti-doping expert and sits on the IAAF's expert panel that reviews ABP cases:

"SS: Final question – more your personal opinion. Given that you’ve worked in doping control and spent much of your research pursuing methods to detect doping, are you able to watch and appreciate human performances with maximum appreciation, or do you find that your skepticism detracts from the enjoyment of sport?"

"YOS: I certainly can. Not every good performance is doping. I have seen many athletes excelling at Olympic level where I am quite certain that they never used performance enhancing drugs. It´s possible, even against cheats! Definitely not for everyone, and not every day. But with the right talent, the right training and on the right day. Unfortunately, many careers of talented athletes have been cut short or shattered because of the presence of doping among their opponents. I have personally witnessed some tragic cases in the 1990s. There are many examples… And that is the sad thing about the whole story in certain sports: Its the victories, the careers and sometimes the lives that have been stolen from those who didn’t dope."

That one dude a few years back was this dominate but then he died. I forgot his name. Something with a W.

Kipchoge has talent on a Michael Jordan/Muhammid Ali scale.

He trains well.

But let's realize, this is mind over matter. The Buddha got nothing over Eliud!

Countless East Africans busted for doping?

"I'm sure the ones still competing are clean though!"

Corrupt coaches and agents explicitly linked to doping?

"That's no guarantee that all their athletes dope!"

Men with 5 o'clock shadow and receding hairlines winning junior races?

"Life is just harder over there, they age faster!"

Proof that EPO is available over the counter and drug testing is nonexistent?

"Still doesn't mean they're cheating! They ran 20 miles to school every day!"

Cheater shoes with literal springs in them?

"Hey they only improve efficiency by 4%, they don't make you 4% faster!"

HONK HONK.

Thank you Renato for actually providing further evidence that Kipchoge is doping. 7 years ago he was no longer able to beat some of the best runners at 10000m and now he is a machine who looks like he cannot be beaten. Kipchoge was in his prime and he knew he could not compete with the best so he found a way to do so. He switched events and became invincible. This was done through PEDs and hard work. You know damn well that is what happened.

"Humans are, by nature, too complicated to be understood fully. So, we can choose either to approach our fellow human beings with suspicion or to approach them with an open mind, a dash of optimism and a great deal of candor." - Tom Hanks

Has there ever been a distance runner who had an excellent, but not dominating track career who moved up to the marathon and dominated like Kipchoge? Even athletes like Bekele, Gebrselassie and Tergat, who had dominating track careers, didn't dominate the marathon like Kipchoge has.

I'd say Kipchoge had a dominant track career. The kid beat El Guerruoj and Bekele and Farah in their primes ON THE TRACK.

His 12:46 at 5000m indicated normal statistic possibility to run 10000m at 2 x 12:46 + 1 min = 26: 32 , and he ran 26:49 only 17 sec from that normal statistic possible 10000m time. And 12:46 is equal to a 2:02:27 marathon so for me he`s not a runner that goes outside the linear mathematical link to running results. A runner with that capacity don`t need peds to reach the results he does. Absolutely a runner with that great talent just need CONTINUITY and a very good TRAINING SYSTEM during some years to reach Kipchoge`s level or even better of course. We don`t know when , but we can be sure that in the future there will come an even better talented runner training with the same CONTINUITY and will run faster than Kipchoge. In some way I think that infact Kenenisa Bekele was that runner, but as we know he was unfortune to get difficult injuries that stopped him.

To add to what some others have stated about his humble life-style and complete devotion to his consistent training- I coach a couple of Kenyans and one of them has trained at the same camp as Kipchoge and she told me that most of the fast elite Kenyan guys are very heavy drinkers, but Kipchoge does not drink at all. While this alone does not explain his tremendous performances and consistency, it just adds to what others have said about him being more devoted to his training and recovery than some of the other less consistent elite Kenyans.

Armstronglivs wrote:

Bad Wigins wrote:

If you watch carefully you'll notice he actually levitates.

If I understand the posts correctly, that's the shoes.

Rather than try to explain the mechanics again, this time I'll just point out that multiple runners were going 2:03 before these "4% shoes" existed, but nobody at all is going the 1:58 they should be if the shoes actually worked.

For everyone but Kipchoge, the progression has remained gradual. From 2:03:low to 2:02:5x over many years. Do boost shoes only work for him?

He levitates due to his ability to command the forces of nature.

jiaaf wrote:

Thank you Renato for actually providing further evidence that Kipchoge is doping. 7 years ago he was no longer able to beat some of the best runners at 10000m and now he is a machine who looks like he cannot be beaten. Kipchoge was in his prime and he knew he could not compete with the best so he found a way to do so. He switched events and became invincible. This was done through PEDs and hard work. You know damn well that is what happened.

Thank you jiaaf for actually proving you know nothing about what discipline, training the mind and focus can do when added to massive natural talent.

You know damn well that you are just butthurt that an African beats your heroes by minutes.

kjlk wrote:

I'd say Kipchoge had a dominant track career. The kid beat El Guerruoj and Bekele and Farah in their primes ON THE TRACK.

+ 1 This is of course true! Even at the track Kipchoge had a dominant career as a young man. ( Even if his age is doubt and he probably is few years more )