Kenyan doper Asbel Kiprop (1500m), banned for 4 years by AIU due to convincingly made out case, can still appeal to CAS

Then this perfectly illustrates my bemusement. The story about Bernd Diessner and the young girl explicitly said it was NOT DOPING. Exactly which doping do you suggest I am apologizing for, by pointing out, having actually read the link that was provided to support such claims, that certain actions described in an article linked by Coevett were considered NOT DOPING? To be crystal clear, for the avoidance of further unsubstantiated doubt: - I think breaking the German law is BAD, and I do not condone it - I think that violating anti-doping rules is BAD, and I do not condone it

Enough wrote:

rekrunner wrote:

Some more points in the interest of factual correctness.

Regarding "feeding potentially lethal peds to one of his 14 year old girl athletes", this seems to stretch the truth passed the point of breaking. According to links you provided in other threads:

- The PEDs were not doping drugs, but medicines and nutritional supplements, tablets and ampoules from Spain and Portugal, not authorized in Germany, so violating the German Medicines Act

- One girl had a viral infection in the heart, when the doctor also learned about the other medicines and supplements, but there was no suggestion that these medicines and supplements caused a viral infection, or if that is even possible

- The girl was 13 at the time

And this is a perfect example of why so many people here accuse you of being a doping apologist.

Sounds plausible I suppose but it's strange the AIU would convict him based on that very suspicious drug test where one tester asked for money...On top of that did't he get tested two days before and again twice shortly after that? Apparently these were all negative so with the circumstances of that single failed drug test, he might stand a chance with TAS.

I see despite my clarity and unambiguity and using clear and small words, I still did not manage to avoid further unsubstantiated doubt. I often underestimate the obtuseness of posters here. I think there are laws against child endangerment and kidnapping too, so those points were already covered. I think athlete endangerment is BAD too. This list is not complete. I have a moral compass.

So you don't consider athletes taking EPO before it became illegal, or blood doping before it became illegal, to be BAD or even a doping grey area? Even GDR coaches giving children EPO?

You wouldn't have any problem if this GDR coach had taken the same 13 year old girl to Spain for a training camp and given her the same tablets and highly concentrated dangerous supplements after each training session?

The coach tried to sue for defamation after the court case (and presumably failed). Seems both he and the court agree that his career has been ruined by a PED case.

Do you have a moral compass?

Did they annul the results back to Feb. 2016 or earlier?

Lol, rekrunnr, at least delete some of your posts too.

rekrunner wrote:

You said "potentially lethal PEDs".

The link you provided (see below) did not say "potentially lethal" or for that matter "performance enhancing".

Your link EXPLICITLY said it was NOT DOPING, according to an anti-doping expert quoted in the story.

If you had said "broke German law" and "potentially dangerous" that would have been more accurate.

I did not say anything about Beyer and Straub, and I did not condone breaking German law, but is there any other rational conclusion than one story that explicitly said it is NOT about doping would say nothing about another story that IS about doping?

He has shown time and again that he is plainly incapable of refraining from lying.

Once again the strange character Coedeppe shows himself incapable of telling the truth.

The girl that was pumped full of illegal medicines was not 14, she was 13.

The dangerous medicines he was pressurizing her into taking and that he thought would improve her performances were illegal but not technically PEDs. Just like blood doping was not illegal when Said Aouita went from a 1:50/3:40/14:00 sub-elite to a 1:43/3:29/12:58 GOAT.

She had a serious heart condition caused by a virus, but she did not die, so what is the problem?

But facts like these mean nothing to the notorious lier Coedeppe. I have no idea why Dieter does not sue this strange character for damaging his great reputation as one of the best coaches of the GDR state sponsored doping regime.

No doubt Coedeppe still has nightmares from the memory of when the great Olef Beyer was being bundled off the track by Stasi agents to avoid the drug test after thrashing Coedeppe's heroes Coe and Ovett.

This strange figure Coedeppe should have been banned a long time ago.

"Potentially lethal PEDs" is a lie - you don't have to post a lame satire to try to defend it.

Olef Beyer was a cheat pure and simple. Probably had mediocre talent.

Bye bye you lanky pipe cleaner looking doping pig. Go back to your corrupt country and resume your second dishonest career.

spade detector wrote:

I'm not from the UK nor do I live in the UK - further proof that you can't refrain from lying.

That's a relief, as you and ex-runner were the major reasons I was starting to look at British athletics in a more sceptical light.

You once said you coached Master's athletes and you would help me (if I changed my anti-doping position). So I assumed you were in the UK.

I think ex-runner is certainly British as he claims to have competed in the GB championships once. Hopefully he was just a bad apple.

spade detector wrote:

"Potentially lethal PEDs" is a lie - you don't have to post a lame satire to try to defend it.

No it's not. They are banned in Germany because they are considered highly dangerous. Highly dangerous medicines and supplements are potentially lethal to a 13 year old girl with a heart condition. The coach clearly considered them PEDs, as he gave them to his athletes after training to enhance their performances. Caffeine is a drug and is used as a performance enhancer by millions of runners, so it's a ped, but not on the banned list.

You and Rekrunner really are scraping the barrel to argue over semantics in a case like this. Isn't the suspension for four years of one of the biggest stars in the sport for 20 years, and what it means for the doping problem in athletics and in Kenya in particular, a bigger concern to you? At least in this thread, for goodness sake.

Somehow, I'm unsurprised you continue to turn a minor infraction (valued at a fine of 4500 Euros) into major outrage. Well you can choke on a banana, or slip on its peel and fall on your head, causing death, and a banana is performance enhancing, so I guess "potentially lethal PED" can mean what you want. I will just let your words speak for themselves: You say "banned in Germany". Article says "not approved in Germany". You say "because they are considered highly dangerous". Article doesn't say why. You say "highly dangerous medicines and supplements". Article says "doctor warns of dangers of tablets and ampoules". You say "highly". Article does not. You say "coach clearly considered them PEDs". Article says "coach just said, "that's good for you, ..."" You say "potentially lethal". Article does not. You say "heart condition". Article says girl "fell ill after a viral infection of the heart". You say "connected to the doping of Beyer and Straub". Article says "(medecines and supplements) not doping drugs".

Wow!...that's a pretty darn good cross examination.

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BINGO mate!

I'll just skim your reply - can't read much more than the 'minor infraction' claim. I guess that's why he tried to sue for defamation and the German newspaper headlined the article that his career was basically over? Why do you think the medicines were not approved in Germany? Because they're considered dangerous you a$$hat. What's the difference between a 'heart condition' and a 'viral infection of the heart'? Medicinal tablets that are considered potentially dangerous are drugs. He was giving this 13 year old girl these drugs because he thought they would improve her athletics performances. It's connected to Beyer and Straub because he coached them in the German Doping Republic (and please don't correct me and say it was the German Demoratic Republic you a$$pie).

You're just trying to yet again derail another important doping thread with your 'Mr Logic' nonsense. You don't have any grasp of logic, not at least as to how it's properly incorporated in language to say something real about the world.

Coevett wrote:

spade detector wrote:

I'm not from the UK nor do I live in the UK - further proof that you can't refrain from lying.

That's a relief, as you and ex-runner were the major reasons I was starting to look at British athletics in a more sceptical light.

You once said you coached Master's athletes and you would help me (if I changed my anti-doping position). So I assumed you were in the UK.

I think ex-runner is certainly British as he claims to have competed in the GB championships once. Hopefully he was just a bad apple.

I never said any of that. More lies.

I think pointing out your lack of credibility is always important. Your word is mud because you constantly lie. Kiprop was caught over a year ago, thankfully. There is no new concern there just because they upheld the suspension.

spade detector wrote:

I think pointing out your lack of credibility is always important. Your word is mud because you constantly lie. Kiprop was caught over a year ago, thankfully. There is no new concern there just because they upheld the suspension.

I think going forward it's important that whenever you and RekRunner apologize for dopers, it's pointed out that you are both child abuse apologists too, who make light of a disgraced GDR coach pressurizing 13 year old girls to take illegal performance enhancing drugs.

Kiprop was caught last year but he still had his defenders here (like El K) who believed his innocence while his appeal was still in progress. This should be a time of debating what to do about the doping problem in Kenya, not arguing semantics over the conviction years ago of Olaf Beyer's coach for feeding children illegal dangerous medicines.