I heard he was the first dirty finisher.
I heard he was the first dirty finisher.
Only reason I watched the entire Junior race was to see Inge. Otherwise I’d just fast forward to the last minute. As a white man i do this because I identify with him more so than anonymous East Africans that I believe aren’t of age and are doping.
I am at the top of the target audience for the IAAF. If I have little interest to watch the African domination then certainly not many other whites care too.
Imagine the discussion in a house tonight in Denmark.
Mom: “who won?”
Kid: “some African”
Mom: “how did Inge do?”
Kid: “ he was 12th”
Until the rampant cheating ends then the downfall of the sport will continue.
Before anyone discounts his 12th place, World Cross is truely geared towards distance runners and there isn't much difference between the quality of African juniors verssus seniors. Personally, I don't think he was ready for a tough XC race; I think he felf he could carry forward is track fitness.
I think it was a solid showing from Ingebrigtsen, all things considered. Depending on who you compare him to, there are a number of conclusions you can draw from the results.
First, clearly, is that he is not as good at cross country as the Ethiopians, Ugandans, and Kenyans. They may put up some amazing track times this year, but are highly unlikely to dominate Ingebrigtsen on the track like they did on the XC course. On the flip side of that same coin, if Ingebrigtsen ever shows up at World XC and wins the senior race on course anything like this ... that would mean he is ready to DOMINATE on the track.
Second, when you compare his results to the non-African runners, the times are about in line with what you'd expect. I looked at a few athlete profiles of runners who finished around two minutes behind him, and they seem to generally be 8:20s (3k) types - perhaps 14:30 5k runners. For Ingebrigtsen to finish 2 minutes ahead over 8k lines up pretty well with the difference you'd expect over a shorter track race (about 1:15 over 5000 meters). There are certainly outliers (15+ minute 5k guys finishing relatively well in the XC junior race), but I imagine not all of them have had great chances at time trial track races.
All told, I don't think Ingebrigtsen has anything to worry about based on this performance - and I am glad he got out there and gave it a shot.
I remember there being some of the same sentiment of disappointment after German Fernandez ran World XC ten years ago and had a similar performance (from what I remember). Clearly, he wasn't as accomplished as Ingebrigtsen, but he was absolutely on fire that indoor season. He had run a completely solo 3:55 mile as well as a number of other phenomenal performances for a young true freshman - then got a 'reality check' at World cross. Maybe he ran a stronger race than he got credit for...
Alabama BS wrote:
As a white man i do this because I identify with him more so than anonymous East Africans that I believe aren’t of age and are doping.
Spot the racist!
Actually I represent about 95% of the paying audiences that actually pay to attend track meets. Maybe you’ve seen the paying customers at Zurich, Brussels or Eugene? Did you see the crowd for the World XC?
Were the Kenyans that watched Kip Keino in 1968 racists because they identified with him?
Idiots like you spout racism but can’t see that long distance running will soon become extinct because nobody cares about the East Africans.
Alabama BS wrote:
Only reason I watched the entire Junior race was to see Inge. Otherwise I’d just fast forward to the last minute. As a white man i do this because I identify with him more so than anonymous East Africans that I believe aren’t of age and are doping.
I am at the top of the target audience for the IAAF. If I have little interest to watch the African domination then certainly not many other whites care too.
Imagine the discussion in a house tonight in Denmark.
Mom: “who won?”
Kid: “some African”
Mom: “how did Inge do?”
Kid: “ he was 12th”
Until the rampant cheating ends then the downfall of the sport will continue.
I am sure some of your best friends are black.
Friends, my color, your color doesn’t matter.
Guarantee you that their was more interest in the World XC for Inge than any other athlete. There is a reason for that and you know why that is.
runnersinstripedpajamas wrote:
classiclrc wrote:
Are we gonna make an individual thread for the 11 people that beat him? Yeah it's great that he stepped up. He's a good runner. He's been running the 1500/mile and beating senior runners. BUT 11 people beat him, they weren't afraid to show up either and lay it on the line. Just saying.
Those 11 aren't "real people". Not on letsrun.com anyhow.
All the attention paid to Ingebrigtsen just because he's white.
Alabama BS wrote:
Only reason I watched the entire Junior race was to see Inge. Otherwise I’d just fast forward to the last minute. As a white man i do this because I identify with him more so than anonymous East Africans that I believe aren’t of age and are doping.
I am at the top of the target audience for the IAAF. If I have little interest to watch the African domination then certainly not many other whites care too.
Imagine the discussion in a house tonight in Denmark.
Mom: “who won?”
Kid: “some African”
Mom: “how did Inge do?”
Kid: “ he was 12th”
Until the rampant cheating ends then the downfall of the sport will continue.
lol
Rupp fan wrote:
I was thoroughly impressed by Ingebrigtsen. He was clearly going for first place and he was clearly fighting for every last position when his body gave out on him. Ya, he got his butt kicked by Mengesha and Worku. But I have zero doubt that it will only fuel his fire and that he will come back even stronger.
It is also worth noting that he was running against guys who devoted an entire training cycle to World XC. They came in peaked, tapered, and with lots of specific training on hills and rougher terrain. As a 1500 specialist, Ingebrigtsen did not have this luxury since indoor track is obviously more important for 1500 runners.
Ballsy race, lots of heart, and a life experience that most of us can only dream of.
+100
yg767 wrote:
These people are so delusional.
As already said, the East African dominance always has to be "explained", it can never just be. He competes with Juniors, gets beaten, so they must ALL be age cheating. He competes with Seniors, gets beaten, so they must all be doping.
They are better than Jakob. Period. Swallow it and shut up. Fix your mind. Get rid of your ego.
^ This!
"Prefontaine Classic Director Tom Jordan on New Diamond League Format: Original Proposal Was to Drop All Races Longer Than the Mile
LetsRun.com: How involved was the Pre Classic in these discussions [about the changes to the Diamond League]?
Tom Jordan: Pre Classic staff were involved in the discussions. For example, the original proposal by the Working Group was to have no distance events at all; nothing longer than 1500/Mile. We said this was unacceptable, and the 3k was added. Our suggestion was that if the time schedule allows it, the 5k could be substituted for the 3k at certain meets. We are still working to have this approved."
LetsRun.com: On second thought, we are wondering if we’re reading this wrong. It says there will be no event over 3,000m. It doesn’t say there will be a 3,000. Do you anticipate the 3,000 will be a Diamond League event in 2020?
Tom Jordan at 2016 Prefontaine Classic Press Conference
Jordan: Yes.
"New York City Marathon champ and World Cross Country champ Gebre Gebremariam said, “First it was the 10,000m that was pushed off from the global stage, then the world cross country championship started to be staged biannually, changing from its original annual format, now it’s the 5000m which is barred from the sphere. One does not necessarily need to be an expert, to guess where this is heading towards; it is the World Championship and the Olympic Games, that we are going to hear the ban of these disciplines next,”"
"Are we seeing an eventual phase-out of the 5000m?" Nick Willis
Jakob has problems with steep hills:
https://www.nrk.no/sport/her-kollapser-jakob-ingebrigtsen-_17_-under-motbakkelop-1.13712958
El Keniano wrote:
I love how he’s gone from the guy who’ll supposedly obliterate all distance records to a “1500m specialist” just this weekend.
You mean it only takes a weekend for the narrative to change?
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!
By the way, I have no idea how I missed this thread. I totally missed it although I was very busy on Saturday (after having watched the race).
Reading this makes me feel sad. .........sad that some people are not truly equipped with the ability and humility to perceive and acknowledge greatness.
TI is okay for Jacob to lose. It only means he is human. It also means that he isn't as great as he is touted to be. It is normal.
Jacob is surely a great runner but there are other greater runners than him. Both scenarios exist...........except in lets run of course.
Jacob met the great East Africa's force of nature and got reduced to chugging along after the hills had their toll on him. That is all.
NativeSon wrote:
El Keniano wrote:
I love how he’s gone from the guy who’ll supposedly obliterate all distance records to a “1500m specialist” just this weekend.
You mean it only takes a weekend for the narrative to change?
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!
Jacob met the great East Africa's force of nature and got reduced to chugging along after the hills had their toll on him. That is all.
I can't recall anyone here saying he was going to obliterate all distance records. I can remember stating that he would break El G's records, and I still believe that, as well as winning global gold medals in the 5000m (if drug testing standards continue their long climb to approaching Western minimum levels).
Still don't understand why two 'Kenyans' are crowing about a white kid collapsing behind likely doped up age cheats rather than reflecting on further evidence of the decline of Kenyan distance running (due to a semblance of testing being introduced).
Kenya is being overtaken not only by Ethiopia, but freaking Uganda as well. Maybe another decade and the East African running powerhouses in order will be 1:Uganda 2:Ethiopia 3:Congo 4:Rwanda 5:Mozambique and 6:Kenya (assuming Kenya isn't suspended).
Last year after the Diamond League 5000 final, El K flirted with identifying as 'El Ethiopiano' instead of as a Kenyan. Maybe he's thinking of switching to 'El Ugandiano'?
Coevett wrote:
I can't recall anyone here saying he was going to obliterate all distance records.
Like you can't recall ever mentioning skin colour?
Here, I help your memory for next time:
Coevett wrote:
a whitekid
Coevett wrote:
Still don't understand why two 'Kenyans' are crowing about a white kid collapsing behind likely doped up age cheats rather than reflecting on further evidence of the decline of Kenyan distance running (due to a semblance of testing being introduced).
It would only be fair if the "white kid" wouldn't be the only "doped up" cheat.
Coevett wrote:
... than reflecting on further evidence of the decline of Kenyan distance running (due to a semblance of testing being introduced).
There is no "decline of Kenyan distance running".
That hill in the Bern 10 miller Bekele won last year would have destroyed Jakob - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGHLn9NKjK4
thinkofanexcuse wrote:
Doc Savage wrote:
He may have been the first under 20 guy across the line. After watching and then looking at the pictures I think at worst he was the third junior. Given what we know about the Africans it's likely he may have been the only or one of the few clean runners in the top 15 or more.
Any more excuses guys? We know white distance runners need all the excuses you can come up with to justify their losses. So far we got:
1. The other guys were doped,
2. The other guys were too old.
What's left? The other guys live at altitude? How about the other guys have an extra bone in their feet? Haven't heard that one in a while.
Africans who were "too old" as juniors somehow morph into masters runners who are too young here on Letsracist.