rojo wrote:
Running makes it obvious that there are genetic differences between the people which contradicts what all of these political movements are trying to tell everyone that there aren't differences between people. Men, women, black, white, Asian, etc are the same, etc. Memo, we're not all the same.
I don't know why that's so scary.
It's scary because this is the exact same argument white people used in the 1950s to keep blacks out of baseball. Do you really not get this?
America first wrote:
Someone arriving in the US at ~20 yo is obviously not a product of American running culture. I don't see any reason to support these from a patriotic point of view. They may be interesting as individuals and thus get my support (just like other foreign runners). But in no way do I feel that they represent America.
4 guys serving in the US Army don't represent America???? My mind is blown.
4whatsworth wrote:
Who's more American?
4 Army-naturalized Americans who qualified and self selected to represent their county in the world championships?
Or one U.S.-born American who qualified but declined to represent his country at the world championships?
+1
They Are Kenyan Born wrote:
So what is the issue. Reporting facts.
Grow a pair.
They are selectively choosing which facts to report when there could be other storylines, thereby communicating a certain prejudice. Don't be so dense.
Everyone whining about "kenyan born" runners dominating long distance running needs to grow a pair.
Runningart2004 wrote:
Army WCAP wrote:Since not Kenyan I need to run a 2:15 marathon to apply.
Meet the published standards, or ask for a waiver. Join up.
Alan
This is a great point. There are quite a number of white, US born 2:15 marathon guys out there now, many are unsponsored. I don't see any of them rushing to join WCAP. The program is predominately comprised of Kenyan runners likely because no one else is willing to join or they have better options because they were born into lives of privilege (i.e. one of the 300 million lucky souls out of 7 billion who were fortunate enough to be born in the USA).
The WCAP runners don't have theses privileges and have joined WCAP so that they may continue to compete as runners. In doing so they have also agreed to sacrifice their lives for this country if necessary. God bless them.
THANK YOU! You dont like that they are winning, join the same program and run faster then the "Kenyan" Americans.
Also, it should be noticed that these guys are sacrificing sponsor contracts as well. As Army runners they aren't allowed to support advertisers. So they're paid like any soldier plus their winnings. No contract bonuses for medals. Seems like Nike sponsors the group but I imagine it's just gear and training support.
I'd bet that Evan Jager's silver (though a bigger contract for an established runner with some ARs under his belt) was worth quite a bit more than Chelimo's. Clayton Murphy's bronze too.
https://twitter.com/letsrundotcom/status/828014540470222848rojo wrote:
OP, what the hell are you talking about? Where in the hell did we not congratulate or "tarnish" the Kenyan-born runners who made the team?
Hey Rojo, what the f*ck do you call this?
rojo wrote:
It amazes me that the so called open minded people on the left - who in terms of public policy are obsessed with classifying people by race, gender, etc. to make sure that all outcomes are equal - get irate when we mention place of birth in a meet recap. What's wrong with saying the winners of the race were born in Africa? It's a factual statement. If the top 4 in the men's race and the women's winner were from California (almost the same population as Kenya), you can bet your butt we'd mention it was a great day for the people from California. You see place of birth talked about all the time in college football recruiting.
Again, what's wrong with it? Please tell me.
Echoing others, it was the tweet RE Dunbar being the "last hope." As if it would be a disappointment that the Army runners beat the Alaskan
Vipam wrote:
With all due respect take all the time you need Rojo, how many times in over 10 years have I posted a nationality/race related post? So when addressing someone make sure you address the individual and not the masses.
My title didnt state you didnt congratulate them, it simple called them Americans. Citizenship in U.S.A is one of the hardest and incredible lengthy process in the world. Most born Americans (FACT couldnt pass the history test, myself included with an IQ over 130, that the new Americans most pass for citizenship. They deserve to be welcomed to our country after 4-12 years residency and the process as simply Americans
In the nineties, quite a few road races either shut down prize money altogether, or went to American only format............why was that?
heyyo wrote:
Runningart2004 wrote:Meet the published standards, or ask for a waiver. Join up.
Alan
This is a great point. There are quite a number of white, US born 2:15 marathon guys out there now, many are unsponsored. I don't see any of them rushing to join WCAP. The program is predominately comprised of Kenyan runners likely because no one else is willing to join or they have better options because they were born into lives of privilege (i.e. one of the 300 million lucky souls out of 7 billion who were fortunate enough to be born in the USA).
The WCAP runners don't have theses privileges and have joined WCAP so that they may continue to compete as runners. In doing so they have also agreed to sacrifice their lives for this country if necessary. God bless them.
The African borns are stampeding to the WCAP program because their student visas have expired, not necessarily because Dan Browne is a great coach which he may well be.
heyyo wrote:
Runningart2004 wrote:Meet the published standards, or ask for a waiver. Join up.
Alan
This is a great point. There are quite a number of white, US born 2:15 marathon guys out there now, many are unsponsored. I don't see any of them rushing to join WCAP. The program is predominately comprised of Kenyan runners likely because no one else is willing to join or they have better options because they were born into lives of privilege (i.e. one of the 300 million lucky souls out of 7 billion who were fortunate enough to be born in the USA).
The WCAP runners don't have theses privileges and have joined WCAP so that they may continue to compete as runners. In doing so they have also agreed to sacrifice their lives for this country if necessary. God bless them.
Well said!
I've said many times, this isn't about where somebody is born (or immigration)... It's about skin color. Plain and simple.
If a man was born in America to Kenyan parents and crushed the white guys you bigots would say he is Kenyan even though he was born here. It's sad.
If white European became a US citizen and crushed American born runners nobody would bring his country of origin up.
The point is, if you want to discriminate, be honest. I respect people who openly say they are bigots. I don't respect people who disguise their bigotry with other nonsensical arguments.
I'm happy the USA wins medals. Take away the immigrants from Kenya and we are in last place with the Mexican runners.
Agree dont throw rocks and hide your hands. Be proud of your beliefs and be a proud racist IF that's the case.
I know I will continue to be open-minded and support all my country's athletes regardless where they were born.
Brojos have a slight racist bones.
rojo wrote:
OP, what the hell are you talking about? Where in the hell did we not congratulate or "tarnish" the Kenyan-born runners who made the team?
We wrote, "The U.S. men’s team for World XC should be quite strong as the top four will all be going to Uganda and they’re clearly all very fit (they beat Derrick, who ran 27:38 on the track in November, though Derrick won’t be at World XC)."
It amazes me that the so called open minded people on the left - who in terms of public policy are obsessed with classifying people by race, gender, etc. to make sure that all outcomes are equal - get irate when we mention place of birth in a meet recap. What's wrong with saying the winners of the race were born in Africa? It's a factual statement. If the top 4 in the men's race and the women's winner were from California (almost the same population as Kenya), you can bet your butt we'd mention it was a great day for the people from California. You see place of birth talked about all the time in college football recruiting.
Again, what's wrong with it? Please tell me.
In my mind, nothing. I guess you don't like it as it scares you to think that some people might be better at different things. Why? That's called common sense. If you truly like diversity, you should be celebrating it. Every human has his or her own strength or weaknesses. I would make a horrible NFl lineman . But all NFL linemen would make horrible distance runners But we all come together and make amazing contributions.
-Rojo
PS. With all of the talk about white privilege, maybe the thing that bothers you is you don't like to consider that there might be such a thing as "black privilege" in running. Although it really has nothing to do with being black. "East African descent" privilege would be a better term. Just as if you are over 7 feet tall, you are much more likely to be an NBA center (1/4 are the odds I believe), if you are born in East Africa there is a way better chance that you'll break 2:10 in the marathon. It's a fact. Get over it.
The odds of a 7 foot male to be in the NBA are about 1/10. 11 per cent.
And WCAP allows a 2:18 marathoner to continue to bleed the system - will he ever meet the WCAP minimum standards of performance?
At least they should change the standards of entry or cut the under performer. Elites get cut by sponsors if they fail over a period of time.
The ARMY seems to allow extended substandard performances.
heyyo wrote:
America first wrote:Someone arriving in the US at ~20 yo is obviously not a product of American running culture. I don't see any reason to support these from a patriotic point of view. They may be interesting as individuals and thus get my support (just like other foreign runners). But in no way do I feel that they represent America.
4 guys serving in the US Army don't represent America???? My mind is blown.
Yeah, they're serving..I heard Chelimo just got back from a 6 month stint in Kabul
Klowns everywhere wrote:
heyyo wrote:4 guys serving in the US Army don't represent America???? My mind is blown.
Yeah, they're serving..I heard Chelimo just got back from a 6 month stint in Kabul
I'll leave this here for you to read:
http://dopma-ropma.rand.org/military-service-obligation.html