MIAC Track 2017

Good luck with finals, all of you. Whether you're some nerd at Carleton or a stoner from Macalaster, an All-American or an Auggie, black or white, rich or poor, a Northfield fanboy or hater, your academic success is incredibly important and hinges solely on the effort and focus you put into it. It is within your power to murder your finals and get a great GPA, then job, then family.

Also no way DCG runs the 1500/Mile off of a semester abroad. Obviously.

I don't care about skool. One great LRC post could change the world! Power to the people!

Lol, what finals??

runmn wrote:

Lol, what finals??

runmn I knew you were from Carleton. Trimesters and all that.

He's actually from SDSU, takin' a semester off I heard.

Merry Christmas bubs! Remember to run once or twice!

Happy Holidays to you too, bub

What should our expectations be for Ryan Bugler this season? One one hand, he is a defending national champion, but on the other, he got beat by Ryan Peterson two weeks before, barely snuck into the field, and then proceeded to run the race of a lifetime.

This is further complicated by him getting trampled at nationals, video of incident here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGtJn-L5xEs

. He seemed to be getting things rolling at regionals and both guys who finished ahead of him were All-American, but without that race it's difficult to get a sense of what a solid finish to his season would be. Top 8? Top 5? Natty champ? NCAA Indoor Qualifier in 3k or Mile?

yep will be interesting to see, but probly wont get to see until Feb.

I would like to emphasize how weak the 1000m will be. Burback has been cultivating mass all winter as if he were getting ready to hibernate. It's honestly impressive he's still able to run with all that extra weight.

Assuming bub cook goes for it, he will smack the event but the oles fill the next 3 spots. burback could finish 5th maybe, but the better question is will he beat his chest or not. It sounds like he will have some nice pecs to pound, so I predict yes.

Michael Angelo carved David out of a solid block of granite. Burback may be in solid block stage, but by February he can be David.

Michael Angelo? I thought it was Lee Onardo Davinci???

Burback kind of plateaud all of last year going in to this year. His times were good for a freshman on paper, but I don't know how much he will improve. His best times last year were literally his first two races of the indoor season (800m and mile). I mean, I hope he doesn't remain stagnant and that he will continue to improve over the next 3 years, but I don't see it happening by a lot.

Judging by his open 400m, albeit it is one race, it shows that he doesn't have a ton of footspeed. So he might cap out on the 800m around 1:55-6 or something. Good, but not MIAC champ good.

His mile can still improve a lot, but judging by his average (but improving!) display in cross country, he doesn't have a lot of strength, either. I say he will probably cap out around 4:18-9. Again, good, but not what I assume he would hope for.

I hope he proves me wrong! I'm not trying to hate too much, but I think he might have turned heads because he was only a freshman last year. If he ran those same times as a sophomore, we would never really talk about him.

He was about a minute and half faster at conference and regionals this year in cross with times that are pretty comparable to Joe Coffey '15 and Sean Bjork 15'. Perhaps we will see some better times over the mile/1500 distance from him this season. Maybe he will even make Nats and flame out in the prelims! Not sure about the 1000m. All I know about the 1000m is that Paul Escher will NOT win this year, once again.

Random shot at Paul Escher. Grudge?

Also, to the Bugler post from earlier, I thought it was interesting that you said natties qualifier in the 3k or the mile. The mile? Interesting. Never thought of him as a miler as he never runs the distance.

Question for all of the MIAC fans:

Over or Under - Bugler runs a 4:15

I say hypothetical under. He won't run the distance indoors.

First off, Paul Escher is my favorite runner. When I think of him not winning the 1000 I am reminded of events that made him a better runner. The disappointment of getting clipped at the line and never throwing up the O again, getting cut off by Jerry, and realizing that he had bigger fish to fry and refusing to give chase to young Jerry with a week before his chance to repeat.

The weird thing with Bugler is that its not that he hasn't run under-distance. He practically specialized in the 800 and 1000 indoor for his first two seasons and ran 800/3k/1000 last year DMR (1600 leg?)/3k at conference. A conversion of his steeplechase pb as a 2 mile time (somewhat agreed upon) yields a 4:16 mile, his 8:35 indoor 3k puts him at about 4:20, and a 3:58 1500 is roughly 4:16-4:17. If he runs it, and its not a rust-buster, he will break 4:15.

But I'll go further than that. The mile will be his primary event indoor.

The indoor mile's final qualifier last year was 27th on the performance list (4:14.98)--guys running the DMR and doubling back in the 3k, guys running the 5k/3k double, or guys trying to pick off guys doing the first two by staying fresh for just the 3k--whereas the final qualifier in the 3k was 16th on the performance list (8:23.93). He has a better shot at making it in the mile than the 3k so long as he can get those wheels turning in February. Big question is venue now that the Snowshoe is the week before conference. He might have to wait for a fast race until the Olaf Last Chance.

I would say the 8:35 translates to a 4:17-4:18. (3000m time / 2 = Mile time) is a commonly accepted estimate.

So I agree, he can run sub-4:20. But does he have the wheels to run sub-4:15?

He ran 1:57 at Mac last year in the rain. He's got some decent wheels. Let's face it, speed work is fine-tuning. He can run fast without a ton of it.