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Karma Police wrote:
He's almost sub 3.40 already.
As I said, it's hard to know how big the remaining improvements will be. And I meant IMO if someone was going to be the first 3.20 1500 runner ever, it would be someone who has great form and insane natural speed. I don't see Jakob as that person, but I could be wrong.
Agree regarding 3.20. Though when Henrik ran 3.40 everyone thought he would struggle for real because of his lacking 800m speed. Considering the success of Henrik (and how Filip, whos struggled with injuries for years and always was considered a more physical, but less mental, talent than Henrik) and the training program they know work, its very likely he'll get close to Henriks level. Henrik was the guy they tested their training methods with and did all the mistakes. With Jacob they know what mistakes to avoid.
Regarding training volume, Henrik trained a lot at young age too. Just cross country skiing and not running.
jjjjj wrote:
Didn't Cram run 3:57 at 17 or 18? I wouldn't worry too much about this kid. His father's obviously a great coach and getting Henrik to 3:31 is a major feat. Getting Jakob to 3:42 now and with the belief of going sub 3:40 this year at 15 is incredible for a nation with very few distance successes for several generations (Bakken (13:06) is the closest to the world class that I can think of going back to Grete Waitz and Ingrid Kristiansen's era.
Umm... ever heard of Vebjorn Rodal? Far more successful than any of these.
And on Friday Jakob ran a 3000 at a local meet in Norway.
Time 8.22.25.
Rodal I had forgotten--he did win gold and did so in a very fast time, though he certainly did not have the career of Grete Waitz or Ingrid Kristiansen by any stretch of the imagination. They bestrode their era like a colossus.
only Oly gold counts wrote:
jjjjj wrote:Didn't Cram run 3:57 at 17 or 18? I wouldn't worry too much about this kid. His father's obviously a great coach and getting Henrik to 3:31 is a major feat. Getting Jakob to 3:42 now and with the belief of going sub 3:40 this year at 15 is incredible for a nation with very few distance successes for several generations (Bakken (13:06) is the closest to the world class that I can think of going back to Grete Waitz and Ingrid Kristiansen's era.
Umm... ever heard of Vebjorn Rodal? Far more successful than any of these.
Though an Olympic gold medal is VERY big, I would not say that Rodal was MORE successful than waitz and Kristiansen. Waitz was a 5x world xc champion, world champion in the marathon, and Olympic silver medalist in the marathon to the American, Benoit. She also won the NYC marathon 9 or 10 times, I think. No easy task. She also held the WR in the marathon.
Kristiansen was also world xc champion, as well as world champion at 10000m. She was also WR holder at 5,10, half marathon, and marathon. Her wr for 10k stood for many years.
Regardless of semantics, we are extremely proud of all of our Norwegian track athletes, past and present.
Jakob Ingebrigtsen ran 800m today 1,51,07
He has had three good days
3.42.44 on 1500m
8.22.25 on 3000m
1.51.07 on 800m
Halviking wrote:
Jakob Ingebrigtsen ran 800m today 1,51,07
He has had three good days
3.42.44 on 1500m
8.22.25 on 3000m
1.51.07 on 800m
I think 3.42 is better than 1.51. That shows he's more of an endurance runner than a speed one. Very good endurance to be able to run a 1500 at double his 800 time.
Is he planning on doing World Youths in Kenya next year do you know? 3.42 could win it but 1.51 won't make the final.
Well, Jakob raced these three races the last three days (thursday, Friday and today). Not bad at all.
And who said he went all out on the 3000 and 800.
His coach expect him to go under 3.40 on 1500 this year and it looks like he is on track for that.
Halviking wrote:
Jakob Ingebrigtsen ran 800m today 1,51,07
He has had three good days
3.42.44 on 1500m
8.22.25 on 3000m
1.51.07 on 800m
Wow what an aerobic monster! 3:42 from a 1:51 800m!
Metric Miler wrote:
Halviking wrote:Jakob Ingebrigtsen ran 800m today 1,51,07
He has had three good days
3.42.44 on 1500m
8.22.25 on 3000m
1.51.07 on 800m
Wow what an aerobic monster! 3:42 from a 1:51 800m!
Yeah double the 800 time is strong. But Halviking is right, maybe he can go faster over 800.
But if 1.51 is near his top level for 800, then he is very developed aerobically. His future 1500 gains would come from getting his 800 time down.
I wonder what he does to develop his top speed. A 15yo middle distance runner should be doing at least a day a week of speed development- with sprinters.
To put the 1500 time in perspective, it's 2.9% off the Olympic qualifier as an U17 (meaning under 17 years of age on 31 Dec). That is his age group by IAAF standards.
Using Olympic qualifiers as the yardstick, to put 3.42.44 into perspective, it is the equivalent of:
100 - 10.45
200 - 21.09
400 - 46.72
400H - 50.83
800 - 1.49.07
HJ - 2.22
LJ - 7.92
Karma Police wrote:
Metric Miler wrote:Wow what an aerobic monster! 3:42 from a 1:51 800m!
Yeah double the 800 time is strong. But Halviking is right, maybe he can go faster over 800.
But if 1.51 is near his top level for 800, then he is very developed aerobically. His future 1500 gains would come from getting his 800 time down.
I wonder what he does to develop his top speed. A 15yo middle distance runner should be doing at least a day a week of speed development- with sprinters.
To put the 1500 time in perspective, it's 2.9% off the Olympic qualifier as an U17 (meaning under 17 years of age on 31 Dec). That is his age group by IAAF standards.
Using Olympic qualifiers as the yardstick, to put 3.42.44 into perspective, it is the equivalent of:
100 - 10.45
200 - 21.09
400 - 46.72
400H - 50.83
800 - 1.49.07
HJ - 2.22
LJ - 7.92
He won the 800m leading, it was day 3 after two days of 3.42 and 8.22 (not maximum effort but still), and without someone to drag him to a fast time. He could go sub 1.50 in a good field with proper rest. No doubt.