Ok, this morning, with the holidays over, I got a chance to watch the documentary and have just done so. I'll probably write some sort of recap up of the whole thing for the front page as it's clear most people haven't watch the whole show, but here's a quick version. Basically, they got a 37-year old British Hurdler Liam Collins to go under cover and talk to people in the PED world.As shown here ( http://goo.gl/VSsi8k ), Collins got in trouble in Britain defrauding investors out of £874,000. Some, including Manning's agent, have used that to discredit the guy but I don't see how it discredits anything in the show as the show is 100% based on video recordings Collins took of people talking to him about PEDs.Collins is apparently writing a book on Tim Montgomery and the show started by them going to Bahamas where Montgomery says he first got his PEDs. I actually thought the Bahamas part was encouraging for the anti-doping movement. The doctor that Montgomery says provided him with illegal PEDs wouldn't do it and said he no longer does that type of stuff. He did give Collins the name of another doctor who said he could get him EPO. That doctor said he had worked with some of the Golden Girls (the 2000 4 x 100 gold medal winning team) but said he didn't give them PEDs.Anyway, most of the show revolves around Collins interacting with an Austin, TX pharmacist by the name of Charlie Sly. Sly was best friends in HS with NFL player Dustin Keller. Sly says he doped Keller, Ryan Howard, Ryan Zimmerman, James Harrison and 10-12 Green Bay Packers including Mike Neal who helped him get hooked up with the team. Sly says they all use a steroid named Delta2 which you can order over the Internet. Additionally, Slay says he was training to be a pharmacist, he worked at an anti-aging clinic in Indianapolis where Payton Manning was a patient during the year Manning missed the season with a neck injury. Sly says that Dr. Dale Guyer was constantly sending HGH to Payton Manning's wife. HGH is a very tightly controlled drug that isn't allowed to be proscribed off label. Basically you can only use the drug if you suffered from growth hormone problems as a kid, had cancer or AIDS and the implication was that none of those apply to Payton or his wife and the implication in the report was that it was sent in Ashley Manning's name for Payton's use although I don't think that was never directly stated.So basically you have Charlie Sly saying he did all of this stuff. Now Sly has recanted.
alanson wrote:
Gonna have a tough time proving this. The primary source recanted totally - the tape of his recantation was on TV tonight.
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bad_stats wrote:
Anyone still following this story closely that can explain what this means? There are reports that Charlie Sly is urging us not to trust the things he's been taped saying:
“To be clear: I am recanting any such statements and there is no truth to any statement of mine that Al Jazeera plans to air. Under no circumstances should any of those statements, recordings or communications be aired.â€
-https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/12/28/meet-charlie-sly-the-man-telling-and-recanting-tales-about-doping-peyton-manning-and-ryan-zimmerman/
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home slice wrote:
I don't believe any of this
If you don't believe "any of this" then you are a moron.
1) Sly's denial is clearly read from a teleprompter. Of course, he is trying to cover his ass. You can watch his 54-second statement here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sf2-8V0K3oM2) Some of what Sly says is clearly true. He clearly has access to Delta2 and the show includes a confession by a Sly client, MLB player of Taylor Teagarden, on camera. Teagarden is shown saying he used Delta2 last year.
3) Sly says he got into this because of his work with his HS friend Dustin Keller who now is in the NFL. This seems likely to me as the Washington Post has a story out saying that Keller was described as one of Sly's best friends in HS back in 2008 by the the Lafayette Journal and Courier.
So in the end, what did we learn? At a minimum, we learned that it's still easy to find shady medical/therapist type people that will help you get illegal drugs. We learned that Taylor Teagarden uses it for sure.
We don't know for a fact that the others use it but I'd bet my life that at least some of them do.
This isn't all made up for a number of reasons. 1) We know Teagarden uses it. 2) We know that Mike Neal served a 4-game ban in 2012 for PEDs so the thought that he still might be using is far from a shocking allegation 3) We know that Dustin Keller was great friends with Sly.