Rudisha Says 48.5, 50.5 Split Possible......

Fluffy wrote:

deanouk wrote:

With your criteria practically every GOAT will be athletes competing in the last 20 years!

All the GOATs are from the last 20 years...

Really!! Try telling Moses, Syedikh, Thompson, Koch, Ashford,....etc

You cannot compare the medal collections of pre mid 80's athletes with those of the last 20 years as there are far more opportunities to win global titles for modern athletes. You have to assess an athlete's achievements based on the era in which they competed.

deanouk wrote:

Fluffy wrote:

All the GOATs are from the last 20 years...

Really!! Try telling Moses, Syedikh, Thompson, Koch, Ashford,....etc

You cannot compare the medal collections of pre mid 80's athletes with those of the last 20 years as there are far more opportunities to win global titles for modern athletes. You have to assess an athlete's achievements based on the era in which they competed.

I will tell that to all of them. Even if you don't compare medal collections...

100 - Bolt dropping the WR to 9.58 speaks for itself

200 - Bolt or Johnson

400 - Johnson... obvious

800 - Rudisha... his performances in the last 3 years are like no other.

1500 - El G

5000 - Bekele or Geb

10,000 - Geb or Bekele

Those people are the GOATs of their events. All of them are from the last 20 years.

Fluffy is really stupid.

Yes, for once, though, I actually agree w/ ventolin that Coe, from all indicators, was pretty much maxed out. I've been pretty critical of the idea that you can "adjust" Ryun's PR down by 9 seconds. Awful.

Of course this is the same guy who claims that guys run faster on a track surrounded by trees (because of the oxygen enriched environment) and claims it is science. He also has claimed in two different threads that Kipketer could run low 44 in one and had drifted out to slower than 47 on another one (at the time of world record run).

Anyway, back to the topic. I would not be shocked to see Rudisha run in the 140.3 to 140.5 range. It would be a stupendous achievement. I just can't see him going <140.

Por que? (Why?)

Take what I wrote in context; we're discussing the GOAT of the 800m. Not the "What if GOAT"; Coe ran the best time in the world. And if he ran wide, 2m more than necessary, and hence slower than he otherwise might've, that's an argument against his claim to greatness, imo. That's why people get beaten. Coe got beaten in his 2 biggest 800m races.It's sitting here saying what he might've done if things had been different; much like Ventolin's calculator that says so-and-so, running the perfect race, might run xyz time.If El G hadn't won in 2004, the claim of him being the 1500m GOAT would be, imo, arguable. It's like Ron Landy; a great, great runner, but rarely able to do well in big competitions, for various reasons. Most folks would say the same about Asafa P in the 100m. Part of being the GOAT has to include leaving it on the track, where and when it matters. Whether it's due injury, illness or tactical error is, ultimately, irrelevant; looking at what Coe MIGHT'VE done if he hadn't run wide is like looking at what I might've done had I trained harder (which is, not much) :)IMO, of course.

The hardest factors to determine in an athlete is that of desire, heart and Adrenaline.

Science doesn't govern the sport, otherwise we'd have a lot faster Asian runners.

I wouldn't be surprised if Rudisha ran 1.38.88 simply because of the way he feels at 500/600 meters in.

I also wouldn't be surprised if Kaki came out of nowhere and crushed Rudisha in the final for Gold.

Few runners show their full hand ever in an Olympic year, their fitness levels are largely masked up until the heats/finals begin.

Rudisha is either making these claims because his workouts are displaying signs of being able to hold a smaller positive split than usual or as a scare tactic. He is already the fastest 800m man ever, the only direction for him is up.

Ryun raced on cinders in the 60s and 70s the fact that his name comes up in modern track as a basis of comparison is completely unreasonable, the same can be said for Coe. Athletes of yesteryear did things very different than the athletes of today.

o.O wrote:

I wouldn't be surprised if Rudisha ran 1.38.88 simply because of the way he feels at 500/600 meters in.

So you know how David Rudisha "feels" at 600 meters into his races? This assertion would be enough to make you the village idiot, but your statement that you wouldn't be "surprised" if a world record which has dropped .72 in the last 31 years and .10 in the last 15 years is suddenly lowered by 2.13 seconds really takes the cake. I am the world's expert on ceilings, and David Rudisha will NEVER run faster than 1:40.75, no matter how you think he "feels" at 600 meters.

SPMBLNPF wrote:

o.O wrote:

I wouldn't be surprised if Rudisha ran 1.38.88 simply because of the way he feels at 500/600 meters in.

So you know how David Rudisha "feels" at 600 meters into his races? This assertion would be enough to make you the village idiot, but your statement that you wouldn't be "surprised" if a world record which has dropped .72 in the last 31 years and .10 in the last 15 years is suddenly lowered by 2.13 seconds really takes the cake. I am the world's expert on ceilings, and David Rudisha will NEVER run faster than 1:40.75, no matter how you think he "feels" at 600 meters.

Because of this, I now predict at minimum, a 1:40.75 for Mr. Rudisha. Wouldn't be surprising if he ran low 1:40 or even 1:39 for 800m. Especially given how much better he is now than he was in 2010.

ventolin^3 wrote:

i give ryun in '67

45.5 / 1'40.4 ->

2'09.28

3'24.23

3'41.04

1'40.4 and 3'24.23?

Whatever you're smoking, i'd like some of that, eldrick

david okeyo jr wrote:

ventolin^3 wrote:

i give ryun in '67

45.5 / 1'40.4 ->

2'09.28

3'24.23

3'41.04

1'40.4 and 3'24.23?

Whatever you're smoking, i'd like some of that, eldrick

Ventolin is the same moron who thinks that Wilson Kiprop can run faster than Kenenisa's 10,000m record. Ventolin is truly an idiot, one of those sophists who hoodwinks a few fellow morons. Wilson Kiprop can get the bronze medal if he runs his best. He is no 10,000m star. W.Kiprop is better than Galen Rupp, but so what?

Rudisha's best bet to break 1:40 is if a rabbit can smoothly take him through 500 meters in 1:01.5

I think Matt can do that so he and Rudisha need to hook up a few times with that in mind.

Does anyone honestly even read Ventolin's drawn out quoted insults?

The second I get to the next post and first word I see is "idiot" or "moron" I skip over that entire post and get back to the real discussion.

ventolin^3 wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zp-W7B483K8

I don't understand how anyone can pace that poorly. How can you not be aware you are going out in 52 seconds?

Same.

vento is embarrassing himself big time here. living in the land of fairytales.

o.O wrote:Ryun raced on cinders in the 60s and 70s the fact that his name comes up in modern track as a basis of comparison is completely unreasonable

moron

he = 1'44.3wr in '66

( aged 19y

peak year was next )

record stood 'til fiasconaro 1'43.7 ( ht ) in '73 on synthetic track

( ryun's on semi-synthetic mulch of tyre shavings + dirt

the main/only advantage being it didn't need the maintenance of a dirt track, but unknown speed characterstics - he did 4'00 mile later on it )

here is ryun's recall of his run

Pretty sure you guys mean to say, "floor" when you are saying "ceiling."

MORTg wrote:

Pretty sure you guys mean to say, "floor" when you are saying "ceiling."

I am the world's expert on ceilings, and when I write "ceilings," I damn well mean ceilings. I am "floored" at your idiocy.