Willis moving up to 5000m

I already did that:

A W Diff

800 M 1:43.86 1:43.84 W -0.02

1000 M 2:15.16 2:20.32 A 5.16

1500 M 3:29.46 3:30.54 A 0.92

One Mile 3:46.76 3:46.91 A 0.15

3000 M 7:29.45 7:39.28 A 9.83

5000 M 12:58.39 13:10.86 A 12.47

10000m 27.34.72 27:26.11 A 8.61

Add the 2 mile (which only Webb ran)if you want Aouita is still ahead

I notice you did not originally list Aouita's 10,000m time. That's because its not on IAAF or wiki and if you can't google it you start to struggle

Which is the better runner overall is a fairly straightforward question. Aouita is ahead on times and if you bring in championship performances it's not even a contest

You lost, goodnight!

ukathleticscoach wrote:Add the 2 mile (which only Webb ran)if you want Aouita is still ahead

f***ing moron

aouita HELD THE 2 MILE WR !!!

HOW f***ING DUMB ARE YOU ???

he ran 8'13wr in '87

webb ran 8'11

I notice you did not originally list Aouita's 10,000m time. That's because its not on IAAF or wiki and if you can't google it you start to struggle

eh ??

i saw him struggle to a bedraggled win in that race - he was wasted by the end, spiked foot or not

webb's 10k was a canter in comparison

You lost, goodnight!

what f***ing goodnight ???

it's only 5'35 pm

try harder moron

gentlemen

Webb and Aouita are pretty much equal timewise

the only difference is Aouitas competitive record which Aouita clearly has the edge.

conversation over, right?

'what f***ing goodnight ???

it's only 5'35 pm'

So I'm dumb but you can't work out what time it is in the UK?

Even Webb's new bride would not think he was better than Aouita

doubtful wrote:

gentlemen

Webb and Aouita are pretty much equal timewise

the only difference is Aouitas competitive record which Aouita clearly has the edge.

conversation over, right?

What?

They're fairly equal time wise from 800 to 1 Mile, despite Aouita still having the edge on slower tracks from 20 years earlier, but from 3000 upwards there is no comparison. Aouita is miles ahead.

Aouita is one of the all-time greats of running, full stop.

Webb is a footnote because he ran well at high school, but has been pretty lame since. He had one good year, and even then he didn't win a medal at worlds. Aouita had many great races and years, and won medals at global level over 800m, 1500m and 5000m. It's a joke that people are even discussing who was better.

Athletes are judged on medals and times, not just times. Otherwise, what's the point of having Championships at all.

Webb's career is far from over. He has yet to really go after anything from 3000 to 10000.

The official score is Ventolin 17, UKathleticscoach 0

ukathleticscoach wrote:So I'm dumb but you can't work out what time it is in the UK?

moron

what goodnight ???

this topic doesn't end because you go to bed & i don't give a damn where you live

all it shows is that you are a dumb limey who doesn't have a f***ing clue about either webb or aouita - only an imbecile woud discuss aouita & not know he ran the 2 mile wr

obviously you are an imbecile

Even Webb's new bride would not think he was better than Aouita

nonsense moron

go look how he hunted down baala a 1'43.1/3'28.9 guy ( far faster than aouita ) on his home territory with a 3'30.5

he'd have given aouita all the trouble he coud ever want over 1500

in denial wrote:but from 3000 upwards there is no comparison. Aouita is miles ahead

eh ???

you obviously are speaking from experience of having watched aouita's 27'26 on tv back in '86 as i did ??

how come you don't recall how tired he was on last lap & coud barely muster 59s ?

webb's 27'34 looked little more than a training run in comparison

ventolin^3 wrote:

go look how he hunted down baala a 1'43.1/3'28.9 guy ( far faster than aouita ) on his home territory with a 3'30.5

You're making a prat of yourself AGAIN!

You've said on countless occasions that Aouita was capable of high 3:27/low 3:28 ability for 1500m. Shit, you've even said it on this thread!

So how can Baala's 3:28.9 chasing EL G in the EPO era make him "far faster than Aouita"?

As usual you change the goal posts for each pair of athletes you compare. When comparing Webb to Aouita, you choose to use Webb's hypothetical potential based on what you believe to be his potential. BUT, when trying to big up Webb by comparing Aouita unfavourably with Baala, you use their ACTUAL pbs! Despite the fact that Baala, as a predominant 1500m runner, would have run far more top class rabbited races than Aouita, predominantly a 5000m runner.

You can't have it both ways. You either compare 2 athletes "potential" based on some hard statistical evidence, or you compare them on what they actually produced.

Lets look at hypotheticals, being as you're so fond of doing so.

Using Aouita's 3:29.71 in 1985 using his split times of: - 55.9, 58.5, 55.8 + 39.51, we get a potential of 3:28.11 using the very formula which YOU advocate so strongly.

-400*(400/55.9)^ + 400*(400/58.5)^ + 400*(400/55.8)^ +300*(300/39.5)^

=146556.3167 + 127871.09 + 147345.6668 + 131429.7652

=553202.8387 (A)

1500*(1500/209.7)^ = 548996.7138(B)

(B/A) x 209.7 = 208.51

= 3:28.11

Now lets apply the same formula to Webb's 2 best runs over the 1500m and 1 Mile.

1500m pb = 3:30.54 with splits of 55.3, 57.3 (1:52.6), 56.7 (2:49.3) & 41.24

-400*(400/55.3)^ + 400*(400/57.3)^ + 400*(400/56.7)^ +300*(300/41.24)^

=543378.8397 (A)

1500*(1500/210.54)^ = 542451.8322(B)

(B/A) x 210.54 = 210.18

= 3:30.18

2.07 seconds slower than Aouita's potential.

His 1 Mile was slightly better.

1 Mile = 1609.344

1609.344 / 4 = 402.336

In his 3:46.91 his 440yd (402.336m) splits were: - 56.6, 56.4 (1:53.0), 57.5 (2:50.5) & 56.4

-402.336(402.336/56.6)^ + 402.336*(402.336/56.4)^ + 402.366*(402.366/57.5)^ +402.366*(402.366/56.4)^

=574628.0077 (A)

1609.344*(1609.344/226.91)^ = 574162.2477(B)

(B/A) x 226.91 = 226.73 = 3:46.73

3:46.73/ 1.08 conversion for 1500m =

3:29.93

Still almost 2 seconds slower than Aouita's potential using the same formula.

The conditions for Webb's run were described as "perfect" on the Youtube video (before you start hacking seconds off here and there for a tornado) and he was drafted to the bell.

So, using your preferred system of comparing athletes' potential, Aouita is more than 1.5 secs faster than Webb.

Ventolin - -2, ukathleticscoach - a genius by comparison.

so ?

baala was still quicker

he ran his 3'28.9 very unevenly with splits of

55.0 + 57.5 + 41.7 + 54.7

that will get you a time = or faster than aouita's flattened out 3'29.7

f***ing moron

baala has been top-ranked for nearly a decade, with up & down years

only an idiot woud equate that epo

moron

baala has significantly faster pb than aouita

drivel

aouita only tended to run a coupla 5ks/year outside of globals

he ran majority of 1500s during his career

he was 1st & foremost a 1500 runner

moron

i gave you baala's splits above

No it doesn't MORON!

Your splits are way out for a start, but that's hardly surprising.

Go to: -

The rabbit goes through 400m in 54.8, with Baala in 4th, at least 5m behind. No way is it 55.0 idiot!

At 800 he's still the same distance behind the rabbit who goes 1:51.6.

Baala is 55.4, 1:52.2, 2:34.3, 2:47.9. Or laps of 55.4, 56.8, 55.7 and 41.0.

Flattened out that gives 3:28.68, more than 0.5 slower than Aouita's flattened out time. Baala also got more drafting than Aouita over the last lap as he was close behind EL G until the straight. Aouita was more than 5m behind Cram so received no drafting.

Bollocks!

During his outdoor seasons from the beginning of 84 to the end of 89, Aouita ran 25 5000m and 29 1500m races. Go find his list of races.

How many 5 k's did Baala run?

NO, you gave a pile of shit! Those splits were way off. Either you just made them up or you need your bloody eyes tested.