Should Khalid Khannouchi and Paula Radcliffe win T&FN's AOY award?!

Finally people are starting to realize that Edwards is da man. I had to convince people by getting passed PC racial barriers--I hope people will try to quit being so racist about important matters like this. Like I said--find me a link to an article where KK was tested by Frank Shorter and crew and I will retract and say that KK should also be considered as AOY. I admit I am a racist--but I am honest when it comes to giving credit where credit is due--and for Jonathan Edwards it is way over due. Good thing Powell's jumping career didn't last as long or his name would be buzzing in our ears over and over how he is the god of all.

One might suspect catman and dunes runner might be the same poster.

Same illogical arguments intended to rile up the masses and impossible to argue with based on the lack of logic.

I Dentifier

what do you think of the men's 10000m next year at the US

Championships and who do you think will win?

Do you think Khalid have a shot at making the team?

Vipam

In your minds, how old does Jonathan Edwards needs to be while being #1 triple jumper before he is recognized as AOY. He certainly must be also setting some kind of WR for being #1 in the world for being at such an advance age. Like: oldest athlete to be #1 in track and field where event isn't primarily a throwing event. No doubt Edwards is setting some age records right now that may never be beaten. Perhaps this fact along with the fact that he is $1 is what catman was getting at. When you consider that Edwards is also one of the rare athletes to be staunch for more drug testing--it puts him in another league well above most other #1 rated athletes. I have read no logical reason for why Jonathan Edwards should be overlooked as AOY. Granted--it would be nice if Edwards had set a WR this year--but had he done so, then I'd say he wasn't clean. I would say look the other way and not at Edwards for AOY. Is there some other reason, then, that this #1 performer should be overlooked and made fun of and not be seriously considered among other #1 athletes of the various events for AOY?

I didn't think so.

Jonathan Edwards may be ONE OF the GREATEST gentlemen to compete in track and field; however, he doesn't deserve AOY.

1.) His losses, other AOY candidates went undefeated in their event.

2.) His marks were good enough to rank #1 in the TJ; however, were not extraordinary enough to surpass other

candidates for AOY.

3.) The fields he competed against were not as deep as other AOY candidate's fields/competition!

Jonathan's a great guy but that too won't get you AOY!

Vipam

Here is the problem--I list reasons why Edwards should be AOY, while you list reasons he should not. Well, I think my reasons why he should be AOY far outnumber your reasons that he should not--and most of your reasons are not legit. For instance--going undefeated in just 2 events as KK did is not incredible at all--no matter how you want to slice it or dice it. Well, I will list honestly why Edwards should NOT be AOY--and let's see if anyone else has the integrity to honestly try to list legit reasons for him to get AOY--then maybe we can see each others' reasoning.

(1) Edwards is past his prime

Scratch that reason--it isn't legit because he made #1 w/o being in his prime and that does make his efforts this year outstanding. Try again:

(1) Edwards is an older white guy and you can't have two whites--him and Paula getting AOY in the same year.

Scratch that--it is only a political reason--not legit. Try again:

(1) Edwards did not go undefeated.

Scratch that, too. Number one is still number one despite depth of field. Since Edwards competed entire season he took risks losing #1 that he didn't have to. AOY should not back down for competing just because he isn't feeling at his very best. For this reason alone KK should not even be considered for AOY. Try again:

(1) Edwards did not set a WR.

Scrath that--he jumped not that far from WR once--plus he owns WR--so not breaking own WR at his advance age should not be held against him. Again--#1 is #1--records need idea conditions that don't always occur--and again if Edwards had set a WR I would definitely expect drugs to be involved. So, I should say that his NOT setting WR should increase his chances of getting AOY--what a paradox but in our drug culture, I think deciding to give AOY based solely on WR is sending the wrong message completely. WR should be last possible consideration for AOY and thrown out as a criteria if at all possible. Luckily in Edwards' case we can throw that criteria out and be very happy.

(1) Not enough world class athletes compete in Triple Jump.

Scrath that answer--sorry. If that is the premises then KK should never get any consideration--much less should Paula Radcliffe. Nobody was complaining when Banks jumped that there weren't enough competitors for Triple--but you hear that a lot now because Edwards has been so dominant for so long. Plus--saying there is not enough comp is a political reason--just like saying Edwards is too white.

Ok I give up--I cannot think of one single solitary legitamte reason why Edwards should not get AOY versus anyone else or for any other reason. But I tried. Now see if you can try seeing it from my side. And when you try to scratch several reasoning like I just did--I want to see you do that--I would enjoy such attempt at logic whether it be sound or unsound.

Rockman, Catman, or whoever this is: If it will end this ridiculous argument I'll take one for the Letsrun team and agree that Jonathan Edwards not only should be AOY but I'll christen him Athlete of the past two Centuries!

Not that he has a shot in hell at either one but if it will shut up the inane argument I'm all for it.

ru4real

Thanks I agree. Any posting similiar to catman/rockman is safe to assume derived from the same orginating source.

No more responses relating to Jonathan for AOY!

Vipam

Vipam and ru4real:

You both r mental whimps who have no legitamate argument against Edwards being AOY. I am asking you to be logical and fair--something quite foriegn to your thinking and abilities--by asking you to give me reasons that Edwards should get AOY. I did my very best to find reasons why Edwards should not be AOY--not my fualt that not a single one of the reasons I tried to give aren't legit. At least I tried.

Now, I will try to give reasons that KK should be named AOY.

(1) KK set a WR in the marathon.

Scratch that--I said before that WR should be the least premises to consider--not the first--how ridiculous. KK had ieal conditions in London--and not as good as conditions in Chicago. So, KK set a WR in London--Big Deal. There is really no way to actually know if KK ran the fastest marathon ever since the marathon is not standardized and all courses are different. We don't have that problem with the triple jump. Maybe why Paula should get AOY is because KK did not set WR in less than ideal conditions and Paula did. Hooray!!! I am throwing out WR pemises for AOY consideration here because such a WR is--and always will be--debatable. KK should not be considered AOY based on any WR--sorry.

(1) KK won two prestigious marathons this year and beat two very competitive fields.

(2) KK times in both races are course records.

The End

Only two reasons why KK should get AOY--and neither really stand out that significantly. Paula set European record in 10K--and won far more races than just two for the year. Paula had a much better year than KK. And there are so many reasons that KK should not get athlete of the year--that I will forego that exercise here. I have given reasons in previous posts.

See the light now, folks?

Anyone?

Well--thne I declare myself the winner of this argument. I declare--what spineless backers for KK there are. Undoubtedly all of them being of jewish ethnicity.

There are 5 million marathoners in the world and 200 triple jumpers.

KK whupped 5 million, JE whupped (sometimes) 200. Tell me again why he deserves to be AOY?

You mean it would be kinda like giving the Heisman to a punter?

The triple jump is an olympic . . .

Ah forget it. You can't understnd rational thinking nor are you able to argue outside of fantasy.

Khalid won the two most prestigous and talent-ladden marathon in 2002. The first London against two of the best distance runners ever and a deep field, he did it in World Record time (leading a parade of super fast times).

The second LaSalle Bank Chicago another talent ladden field

and another convincing victory in a time that only he a one

other human have ever better!

Two big time marathons against SUPER fields= two wins and two of the three fastest marathon times ever, in one year!

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Jonathan Edwards

Very nice guy (nothing to do with AOY)

stands against drugs (nothing to do with AOY)

Won a few more TJ competitions than he lost and some with

pretty nice marks (no World Record).

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Rockman/Catman we all can see why Khalid doesn't deserve AOY and Jonathon Edwards does. Thanks for clearing that up,

KHALID WINS ATHLETE OF THE YEAR! You asked for a logical response, Rockman sir do not expect another response of any kind!

Vipam

Vipam wrote:

Rockman/Catman we all can see why Khalid doesn't deserve AOY and Jonathon Edwards does. Thanks for clearing that up,

KHALID WINS ATHLETE OF THE YEAR! You asked for a logical response, Rockman sir do not expect another response of any kind!

Vipam

Vipam - stop threatening and do.

Yo

It will be between Hicham and Khalid, hopefully the better man wins: the American (Khalid).

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