Webb will be fine

Titan wrote:

Spyders Webb is thinking-

I'm stopping here because I'm too easily embarrased.

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Oh yeah, great comeback!!

P O D !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Translation: I am a dumbass.

My point is that Webb is a great runner and for you to say I am delusional for thinking it is insane. I just put up the resume for another great American runner and Webb's credentials match up pretty well with what he did. Webb also has many years to go.

haha, YO wrote:

My point is that Webb is a great runner and for you to say I am delusional for thinking it is insane. I just put up the resume for another great American runner and Webb's credentials match up pretty well with what he did. Webb also has many years to go.

Thats right Haha yo. Underestimating Webb, is like underestimating the Germans after they invaded Poland.

haha, YO wrote:

My point is that Webb is a great runner and for you to say I am delusional for thinking it is insane. I just put up the resume for another great American runner and Webb's credentials match up pretty well with what he did. Webb also has many years to go.

I dont care for Spyders Turd. But, and I cant believe Im doing this, there is a point to be made that is significant. Webb is a great RUNNER. However, he is not -consistently-a great RACER. I am pulling for Webb, because I want to see him do well. I Like him. But, he does not consistenly show excellence like Lagat.

Unfortunately, Lagat is so much the class of the field that, unless he is in races that produce faster times like 3:31.xx 1500 or 12:5x 5000 he really doesn't have competition...especially in the US. 3:35 with a 200 meter kick to finish out and he is almost untouchable at 1500. 13:20+ with a fast last lap and the same result. I know he has run faster times but I dont think he has in recent seasons. I could be wrong since I havent looked this up. I dont recall any though. Webb is the only one who significantly challenges Lagat at faster paced races (Manzano-Iknow, I dont think Lagat was healthy then).

Anyway, for what its worth, I do think the Webb camp is being smarter this year and I do think he can make the team at his current fitness level and even more probably in two weeks. As I said in an earlier Post, If im wrong, I'll look this up and eat crow.

All True- Good post

I can agree with the runner vs. racer assesment. He has shown glimpses of being a great racer though.

Spyder's Webb - brilliant stuff, my man. You may be the best troll I've ever seen. It's one thing to troll a single thread, but you've been trolling the entire board for months!

People always respond to you, and almost everyone thinks you're for real.

Plus, you've picked the best possible topic - Alan Webb. Between now and the Olympic Final, you're guaranteed to find a Webb thread on the first or second page at all times.

I know you can't acknowledge that what I'm saying is true because that would ruin everything. But let me just say, as an onlooker and someone who dabbles in trolling myself on occasion - masterful job.

You sound like Spyders Webb trying to give your self a pass, as just playin with ya.

On par, running is stupid and gay versus anything else in the world, including stupid gays

On par, running is stupid and gay versus anything else in the world, including stupid gays

RRRR wrote:

Grad Student:

Manzano was pushed from the gun once this year, at Big XII's, where he ran a 3:41.8 AT ALTITUDE. The conversion, according to Let's Run?

3:35.22

And he won that race by over 2 seconds...

No I think he's a good runner. I don't buy into "conversions" much. But I 3:41.8 at altitude is a great performance for an NCAA athlete. I just think Manzano's being a little bit overhyped on these boards. His college career is phenomenal, but I think the board isn't putting it into a world perspective like they do for Webb. Manzano may have run 3:35 once last year and an equivalent conversion this year, but Webb ran the 8th fastest mile EVER last year and a 3:30 against a very tough world field. It's amazing how hardcore he's being dissed on these boards now. Manzano may be in 3:36 shape, but it'll be interesting to see what he does with 3 rounds of the 1500 at trials.

My money's still on Webb.

Spyders Webb wrote:

I certainly hope so. After he fades at the Trials, it's going to be hard to find love even among the most delusional Webb fans in this place.

Wait, I take that back. He'll always find love and excuses here among those who can't separate fact from fantasy.

Spyder, I realize you are just a troll, a la 430miler, etc. and just enjoy winding people up. But, let's pretend you're serious... are you predicting that Webb is finished. I mean, this season and forever? Is he going to suck from here on out? I'm afraid I just don't understand. Even if he is getting over injury, sickness, overtraining, what have you- what's to say he won't work himself back into form?

You seem to be saying he just sucks in general. Are you editing that statement to simply be he won't make the Olympic Team and is done for the year? Please clarify- I'm becoming a big fan of your trolling techniques...

I was with you until the "Manzano may be in 3:36 shape" Grad Student. You're doing a great job of putting things into perspective and I agree with alot of what you are saying. All that being said I think you need to consider that Leo ran 3:35 last year, after rounds, in the Finals at USA's.

He has shown dominance this year that would lead anyone of sound mind to believe that he's in better shape than last year at this time. Watch some of Leo's races, please. Quit looking at results and making judgements when Leo hasn't been forced once to come out of 3rd gear. How do you think Leo would have fared had he been in the Pre Mile? I would guess that if he were in a rabbitted European Circuit 1500 that he would run in the 3:33-4 range, today. I wouldn't say the same for Webb.

Grad Student wrote:

My money's still on Webb.

For third, very possibly. He ain't beating Lagat, and he ain't beating Manzano ON JULY 6TH, imo. Sorry cowboy. Notice I didn't say Leo is better because he isn't. He's sharper and more ready and better coached.

We'll just have to agree to disagree for now. I do see why you think the way you think. It just doesn't seem like you are watching the races, just looking at results. Webb looks extremely flat right now. If he can get that fixed(as well as someone can get something like that fixed in 3 weeks) then he's got a good shot at 3rd. I could also see him getting passed by 5-6 runners in the final straightaway.

This one has been beaten to death. I for one am ready to see it play out.

I should add that sometimes people are jealous of me for running a 4:30 mile, so you can imagine how jealous people will get at a 3:46 miler.

they will finish in this order:

Lagat, Manzano, Webb, Lomong, Wheating, Rankin, Sherer, Lukezic, Leer, Jennings, Brown, Robison.

First let me say that I am a Webb fan. However, when I saw Webb at Pre I was surprised at how big/fat he looked. I'm not sure if he is just out of shape (I'd like to run 3:55 anytime)or has been in the weight room too much. I hope he can make the team at his current conditioning level and then get in great shape in time for the games. Don't forget Legat was not running well last year until he got to the World Championships.

I believe this year he will run about

3:48 mile

3:31 1500

If he does the above, maybe runs a few other quality times 1:44-800m etc, wins a Euro race and places top 5 in Oly fianl 1500, I dont consider it a poor season.

You ever wonder how some of these other runners can run such a long consistent season? = PEDs.

You all are always comparing him to guys who are "helped" thru a season using PEDs. No he hasn't been the best competetor ever, but few are ever guaranteed placers in Big Comp. If your going to Bash Webb, start bashing Kennedy, Scott, Ryun etc.....

well, I said I would eat crow if Webb didnt make it. (smack, smack) hmmm, tastes like chicken. Webb simply didnt look strong or good. Too bad. I still like him but it may be time to look at another coach. There is no excuse for him to have not been ready to place top three in a slow race like that one. No good excuse at all!