A 12 year old can not consent. Despite what pervy you tells yourself a 12 year old can not evaluate consequences. I wish you would stop defending this because of your weird enjoyments.
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This is exactly what I meant when I said that it was meant to normalize child rape.
You use the case of a 19 year old who has sex with a 12 year old to argue that consent "is a complex and nuanced subject."
The subject of the age of consent and what it should be is what is complex, not consent itself necessarily, although that too could be. You will find that the more intelligent one is, the more complex these matters will be to one. That of course is not a problem for most of you.
Spoken like a man who would love to have sex with a child. You clearly would love to vote for a politician who would vote to remove consent as a legally recognized term.
The subject of the age of consent and what it should be is what is complex, not consent itself necessarily, although that too could be. You will find that the more intelligent one is, the more complex these matters will be to one. That of course is not a problem for most of you.
Spoken like a man who would love to have sex with a child. You clearly would love to vote for a politician who would vote to remove consent as a legally recognized term.
Idiot Alert! Just because I don’t want homosexuality to be a crime does NOT mean I am gay. Damn you morons are ubiquitous.
I got rid of all the extra words from your opinion.
Well what he did was wrong, he should be punished, and he was, but many of you have done worse things.
Like what. I am curious since the person defending rape is the good guy here. Please give some examples of things that anyone here has done worse then him besides you.
Spoken like a man who would love to have sex with a child. You clearly would love to vote for a politician who would vote to remove consent as a legally recognized term.
Idiot Alert! Just because I don’t want homosexuality to be a crime does NOT mean I am gay. Damn you morons are ubiquitous.
Bro just said the he does not want child rape to be a crime. Bro the self reporting you do is crazy.
He might eat a brick. That's about all I have to say about. I'd realistically say that he would face intense scrutiny, coarse treatment, some physical roughing, and following an investigation of my kin's perspective of the situation and of the would-be predator, possibly pressing charges or possibly at the very least making the person's MO known to parties which would need to know.
but when I put myself into the shoes of the victim, I imagine how I was when I was 13. I was clearly not mature, but I was a kid who cut a middle aged woman off the road in a local 5k race when I was 13, because we had discussed this as a racing strategy in XC.
I was half a dozen years from my first romantic experience, but I for sure had a filthy mind. I fantasized about girls from a grade down or two from mine all the way to my 40 year old lady teachers, but primarily about girls of my grade up to early 20s.
I was timid and had poor judgement well into my 20s. I'd say my ability to make critical decisions wasn't complete until... hmm... recently. I was smart enough to struggle with concepts like the fact that I was a minor, but wrestled with attraction to older women, and I was fully aware of the Void, the descent to evil, at age 13.
In fact, I filmed myself on cassette tape doing private things with myself when I was 13, hiding it in my drawer, then destroying the tape a few months later after much consideration of several facts - 1. The implication of my viewing such material as a kindling for worse evils in my future, 2. Possible legal trouble for myself or those in my domicile on my having such a recording of myself and myself alone, and 3. Shame and prostration before the almighty and in the eyes of those I loved.
What you just typed in a lot of words confirms that children are not equipped to make these decisions and that 12 year olds should be protected from adults who can use the child's naivety against them to get what they want.
It's complicated for the child but it shouldn't be complicated for an adult 19 year old dealing with a 12 year old.
Bro just said the he does not want child rape to be a crime. Bro the self reporting you do is crazy.
You cannot read.
You said just because you do not want being gay to be a crime that does not mean you are gay. This is the same guy who said the age of consent is subjective.
From what I've understood, the girl pretended to be 16 and there was no rape. Sleeping with underage is automatically considered as rape in some countries even if there is consent.
I guess that is why he only spent a year in jail.
And no from what I read on the Athletic, she initially told him she was 16 but then told him he was 12 and he still went through with it.
Having said that he served his time in jail. If you think the sentence should be much steeper lets have that discussion, but I'm generally against the concept of double jeopardy.
I might add that PR said she has EMPATHY for the rapist, which is worse. If a relative of the victims family put a bullet in the creeps head I think that most people would have empathy for him. I dont see how any normal human would have empathy for the rapist.
PR said "if it were to be repeated now or it had been last year I would be saying a different thing."
Note to Paula. For a victim of a sex crime EVERY YEAR is last year.
She is having empathy or whatever you want to call it for someone who on the surface appears to be turning their life around. Look at her initially statement.
“So to ban someone - as I understand it, he was 19 at the time and he’s served his jail time - it’s a long time to carry on paying for that mistake for the rest of your life. He may well have turned it around and completely repented. You certainly hope so, I know that he is married now and has settled down. “It’s a tough thing to do to punish him twice and IF he’s managed to successfully turn his life around after being sent to prison and to qualify and to be playing sport at the highest level, then I actually wish him the best of luck. He’ll be watched during the village, if it were to be repeated now or it had been last year I would be saying a different thing. But the ban and the learning difference from 19 to 29 is huge.”
I put the IF in caps, but do you want her to say I hope he suffers the rest of his life? I wish everyone the best of look if they are trying to do better in this world. The fact is he is out of jail and free to live in society. Either have tougher sentences or let him compete.
Very concerning that y'all think a 12 year old should be having sex at all. Whether she thinks she wants to or not. Very concerning that any adult would have sex with a 12 year old. If I and and a 12 year old girl where the last two people on earth, I still wouldn't have sex with her. Geezuz
Very concerning that y'all think a 12 year old should be having sex at all. Whether she thinks she wants to or not. Very concerning that any adult would have sex with a 12 year old. If I and and a 12 year old girl where the last two people on earth, I still wouldn't have sex with her. Geezuz
Oh please. Get over yourself. Nobody here is advocating sex with a 12 year old. The idea is that it is not something which should mean life imprisonment or perpetual punishment.
Very concerning that y'all think a 12 year old should be having sex at all. Whether she thinks she wants to or not. Very concerning that any adult would have sex with a 12 year old. If I and and a 12 year old girl where the last two people on earth, I still wouldn't have sex with her. Geezuz
Oh please. Get over yourself. Nobody here is advocating sex with a 12 year old. The idea is that it is not something which should mean life imprisonment or perpetual punishment.
Oh please. Get over yourself. Nobody here is advocating sex with a 12 year old. The idea is that it is not something which should mean life imprisonment or perpetual punishment.
You were defending it which is sadly similar.
Show me where I defended it. What is the proper punishment? Tell me oh wise one. Is the death penalty enough? Or should it be more than that? Kill any relatives too?
British law has age of consent at 16. Under that age, a person is not legally able to give consent.
I was going to say that in many US states a defense can be put forth if the assailant had strong reason to believe the victim was of age. I am thinking she was in a bar drinking so a person could assume she was 21 even if she was 16.
However, I found this article that states that he knew how old she was. And he only got 4 years? And he only served 1 (13 months maybe).
As for how the Dutch allowed him: my guess is that Dutch selection procedures do not have a clause that allows them to ban him. Based on what I read UK and Aussies have a provision. I am a bit removed from the USOPC process these days, but the two NGBs I did work for had no policy in place to address such a situation unless the person had been suspended by the NGB.
In the article, it says that the parents found out after he took the girl to get a morning after pill. The parents then contacted authorities. When he was prosecuted, the girl was so wracked with guilt over the prosecution that she started engaging in self harm. They had a months' long online relationship that resulted in multiple sexual experiences that were labeled rape due to the girl's age (i.e. statutory rape). There was no indication that the girl did not want to have sex with this guy. There was alcohol involved. But none of the reports suggest that the girl was so drunk that she could not consent to having sex.
The idea that we can legislate when kids debut sexually through picking an arbitrary age line and enforce that through criminal sanctions is at best very problematic, at worst, a indirect effort enforce religious prohibitions on sex before marriage. I used to work in high schools and have kids in middle school and HS. Kids under the age of 16 are having sex. Lots of them are having sex. Whether they are ready physically and emotionally is an issue that is never addressed because parents and teachers all operate from the assumption that they shouldn't be sexually active and just tell them they are too young whenever the subject comes up. That doesn't work and the kids have no one to talk to about sex who will have a serious discussion about when is the right time to start having sex and how to do it safely. To kids, sex just ends up getting filed under the list of deviance that includes drugs, alcohol, skipping school, shoplifting, etc. Then when kids are caught, parents go to the police instead of dealing with the fact that their kid is sexually active and needs guidance and support.
This guy served his time. There was no evidence that he had a preference for under aged girls. There was no evidence that he was abusive, violent or coercive with the girl. It was a bad decision to have sex with a girl that young. But ruining people's lives because they at a young age acted with bad judgment on their sexual impulses is not something that will make our society better. Instead, it make sexual debut for young boys something that risks criminal prosecution which instills fear and keeps boys from ever talking with anyone other than their peers about it.
We have laws against under age sex to protect children from adults who may groom them. The online "relationship" you are referring to is the grooming part - the preparation of the child, to create the expectation that they have to please the adult, who makes them feel special in a way that those of their own age don't.
Obviously, children are more easily manipulated than adults, and may be persuaded more easily to do things that they may later regret in life. The girl in this case was 12 years old, not 15 nearly 16, and if 12 year olds in the the US are frequently having sex, then there's something really wrong.
This rapist was put on the sex offenders list for life in the uk. The whole grooming process in this case was very calculated and there's good reason he targeted a victim abroad - he thought he would be less likely to be caught.
Therapist here wasn't a "young boy". And clearly there is evidence that he prefers children to have sex with and of coercion. A 12 year old cannot legally give consent but also does not have the adult thought processes or defence mechanisms in place to avoid manipulative older men. His actions were thoroughly calculated and not "impulsive".
As I say, really odd comments, but there are some adults who do everything they can to encourage the idea that adults having sex is "normal" because they are only attracted to those they can most easily manipulate.
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