All the available evidence tells us that there was no before and that the Universe does not need a creator to exist.
Nothing means nothing.
If there was nothing there would still be nothing.
There is no evidence about the moment the universe was created.
Science has no idea.
There is no evidence that any god exists.
There are testable theories and predictions about the moment the universe was created and the consequences of how it was created. Some of these consequences have been observed (like the cosmic microwave background supporting the inflationary picture of the early universe). This is why science has ideas, and evidence, and is what rational people believe.
If there was nothing there would still be nothing.
There is no evidence about the moment the universe was created.
Science has no idea.
There is no evidence that any god exists.
There are testable theories and predictions about the moment the universe was created and the consequences of how it was created. Some of these consequences have been observed (like the cosmic microwave background supporting the inflationary picture of the early universe). This is why science has ideas, and evidence, and is what rational people believe.
Religion has "trust us!"
The background radiation is evidence of the big bang. It says nothing about what caused or came before the big bang.
God is supernatural by definition and must exist outside of time and space and couldn't be subject to the laws of physics.
The universe itself is strong evidence for the existence of a creator. The fine tuning of the universe and other things point in that direction.
This is a stupid thread but I’ll play along. I believe in God-incidences, but I can’t imagine God wanting to save Trump but not one of his supporters. Luck happens. Fortuitousness happens in life.
It’s not that liberals are arguing a God-incidence or not. It’s that fully 1/3rd of them think Trump staged the shooting. And a great many of them have thought to themselves they wished the assassination had been successful. I know several. Some verbalized on social media. That is a sickness in and of itself. There is something wrong with a person like that. And it may be that their lives are devoid of God and a true moral compass.
There are testable theories and predictions about the moment the universe was created and the consequences of how it was created. Some of these consequences have been observed (like the cosmic microwave background supporting the inflationary picture of the early universe). This is why science has ideas, and evidence, and is what rational people believe.
Religion has "trust us!"
The background radiation is evidence of the big bang. It says nothing about what caused or came before the big bang.
God is supernatural by definition and must exist outside of time and space and couldn't be subject to the laws of physics.
The universe itself is strong evidence for the existence of a creator. The fine tuning of the universe and other things point in that direction.
How can anything exist outside or time and space? Do you mean the void between religious zealots’ ears?
Not subject to the laws of physics? i.e., make believe.
The universe itself is zero evidence of a creator and the fine tuning doesn’t point in that direction at all. If the various physical constants were not what they are, we wouldn’t be here to point out how moronic you are.
The background radiation is evidence of the big bang. It says nothing about what caused or came before the big bang.
God is supernatural by definition and must exist outside of time and space and couldn't be subject to the laws of physics.
The universe itself is strong evidence for the existence of a creator. The fine tuning of the universe and other things point in that direction.
How can anything exist outside or time and space? Do you mean the void between religious zealots’ ears?
Not subject to the laws of physics? i.e., make believe.
The universe itself is zero evidence of a creator and the fine tuning doesn’t point in that direction at all. If the various physical constants were not what they are, we wouldn’t be here to point out how moronic you are.
Your first question demonstrates that you are wholly and utterly ignorant on this subject.
This is a stupid thread but I’ll play along. I believe in God-incidences, but I can’t imagine God wanting to save Trump but not one of his supporters. Luck happens. Fortuitousness happens in life.
It’s not that liberals are arguing a God-incidence or not. It’s that fully 1/3rd of them think Trump staged the shooting. And a great many of them have thought to themselves they wished the assassination had been successful. I know several. Some verbalized on social media. That is a sickness in and of itself. There is something wrong with a person like that. And it may be that their lives are devoid of God and a true moral compass.
Without God it isn't possible to have true moral compass.
If atheism is an idiotic position, so is religious faith. They are 2 sides of the same coin. Agnostics are fence sitters. There's a 4th position, not caring about the question or the answer.
The 4th position represents the people on the lowest rung of the IQ ladder.
Actually the 4th position is where wisdom lies. Wise people know that the question has no answer, so pondering it is a waste of time.
The circular argument that is the first 3 is for insult hurling young men that think they know it all and have no control over their need to be right.
This is a stupid thread but I’ll play along. I believe in God-incidences, but I can’t imagine God wanting to save Trump but not one of his supporters. Luck happens. Fortuitousness happens in life.
It’s not that liberals are arguing a God-incidence or not. It’s that fully 1/3rd of them think Trump staged the shooting. And a great many of them have thought to themselves they wished the assassination had been successful. I know several. Some verbalized on social media. That is a sickness in and of itself. There is something wrong with a person like that. And it may be that their lives are devoid of God and a true moral compass.
Without God it isn't possible to have true moral compass.
There is no evidence for intent in the existence of the Universe.
An atheist is someone who does not have an active belief in a deity. There could be elephants that live under the surface of Pluto. The fact that we haven’t observed any doesn’t mean that they’re not there. But I don’t believe it or consider it a credible or even remote possibility. It’s the same with any deity. Ganesh might be opening and closing opportunities for us right now. I can’t disprove that. But I also don’t believe it.
The existence of the universe is evidence for intent...
Atheists believe everything just popped into existence out of nothing.
As a rational human being I think the existence of a creator is more plausible than everything just appearing out of nothing.
Ok, let's say the universe was made by a creator. Where did the creator come from? Did the creator just pop into existence out of nothing?
Why is it more plausible that a creator popped out of nothing than the universe?
How can anything exist outside or time and space? Do you mean the void between religious zealots’ ears?
Not subject to the laws of physics? i.e., make believe.
The universe itself is zero evidence of a creator and the fine tuning doesn’t point in that direction at all. If the various physical constants were not what they are, we wouldn’t be here to point out how moronic you are.
Your first question demonstrates that you are wholly and utterly ignorant on this subject.
This is a stupid thread but I’ll play along. I believe in God-incidences, but I can’t imagine God wanting to save Trump but not one of his supporters. Luck happens. Fortuitousness happens in life.
It’s not that liberals are arguing a God-incidence or not. It’s that fully 1/3rd of them think Trump staged the shooting. And a great many of them have thought to themselves they wished the assassination had been successful. I know several. Some verbalized on social media. That is a sickness in and of itself. There is something wrong with a person like that. And it may be that their lives are devoid of God and a true moral compass.
Without God it isn't possible to have true moral compass.
Without God morality is completely subjective.
Next time you ripoff Dostoyevsky - quote him directly
“Without God, all things are permitted”
Please don't make another half ass attempt to pass someone else's ideas off as your own. You impotent clown.
If we are going to operate under the assumption that God can use supernatural powers to help Trump escape the assassin's bullet, then you also need to entertain the possibility that Trump is the antichrist and possesses supernatural powers that would allow him to protect himself from an assassin's bullet. The antichrist is the false prophet, the "deceiver", an earthly "tyrant and trickster".
Trump has cheated death before. He had a severe case of COVID at a time when people in far better shape were dying on ventilators. His blood oxygen levels were reported to have dropped to 86%, which was generally knocking on death's door for COVID victims. But he survived.
Trump also has been able to evade the law in a way that defies explanation. The US Supreme Court took an unprecedented view on official immunity that makes it almost impossible to prosecute Trump for his attempts to subvert the 2020 election results. Judge Cannon ignored decades of legal precedent on the appointment of special counsel to dismiss the case against Trump over stuffing boxes of classified documents all over Mar a Lago.
The stark contradiction between Donald Trump’s response to white supremacist protesters and the way he responds to those protesting on behalf of black lives demonstrates a corrupt, corrupting force at work that must be named...
Without God it isn't possible to have true moral compass.
Without God morality is completely subjective.
Those statements are both false.
Only in your tiny mind.
Society determines what is moral in the secular world.
If your society thinks rounding up all the Jews and killing them is a good thing then it is subjectively moral to round up all of the Jews and kill them.
If your society thinks cannibalism is moral then cannibalism will viewed as moral.
You have not thought about any of this you're just married to the ignorant opinion you started with.