Trump #1 wrote:
Were they wearing new prototype Nike middle distance spikes similar to ones worn by 5000 & 10000 runners in US trials?
The 5 & 10 runners typically have not been in the ones with air bags.
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She just completed 5 weeks at altitude. Is it really true, as someone said on another thread, that she has never trained at altitude before?!?
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Coach Timmons Training wrote:
She just completed 5 weeks at altitude. Is it really true, as someone said on another thread, that she has never trained at altitude before?!?
It’s not true, and stop trying to find excuses for this ridiculous drop. She trained at nop for years, she probably had a tent. We’re really doing everything we can to find an excuse for this time, when the most obvious answer is right in front of us.
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safety last wrote:
longjackss wrote:
it is a new era in track.
the tracks are a little better , the training better, the nutrition better, they are running more intellligently.
all the world records can go down.
Why didn't you mention the biggest Factor - the shoes. I find that odd, of you.
I always wonder where all this shoe denial comes from. Like are these all people who are still competing and don't want to give any credit to the shoes in their times? Why is it so important to dismiss the shoes for these people? It's obviously not the only factor, but it is the biggest one. I feel like it started off as "but then you'd see the pros breaking records" to rationalize all the collegiate times all of the sudden improving. Now that a significant number of pro distance records have gone down in the last ~4 years, it's pointing to improved training/recovery, wavelight, etc., but still denying the effect of the shoes. It seems that we've more or less gotten over the hump to the acceptance stage of supershoes on the roads, so maybe time to get there on the track? Then we can move on to focus more on the racing vs. going gaga over times in every single race and then debating back and forth about the shoes.
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epenington wrote:
She has a strong mile time, 4:15.34 and decent 5000m time, 14:43.8, but this 1500 puts her on another level. I personally can't imagine running a 3:50.83 1500 and only a 1:59.99 800 though! Maybe if she had run an 800 today, she would've been at 1:55-ish judging from the 1500 time?
THIS!!!!! How many 3:50 1500 runners have a 2 minute 800 PB. Today Jess runs 2 X 2:04 800 back-to-back. Her 800 PB was from this year BTW.
Based on such stamina she should be sub 14 - yes?
What has Jess ever run for 400?
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Coach Timmons Training wrote:
Trump #1 wrote:
Americans will not medal in Paris. These two just up the stake again. Left Muir in a dust. Which Nike spikes were the two wearing?
They both were wearing the ones with the air bags today. I could sideline a discussion on running mechanics as to why that may be important, particularly for Hull, but I’ll save it, for now.
Kipyegon was also using the air bags today.
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effervescent wrote:
woooooow wrote:
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
5th all time
4th ever non Chinese and third if you pull drug coach Jama Aden's Benzene.
Not benzene, Genzebe. Farking autocorrect
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sss9 wrote:
Chef Gordon Ramzi wrote:
She just annihilated the CWR. Light years ahead of Muir's 3:54.50. Insane. Will be rooting for her in Paris.
Caucasian World Record, right, you disgusting racist?
Amazing. That post and this one:
Butterzzzz wrote:
Kipyegon’s wr thread is all doping this and doping that but hull gets nothing but praise….The reality in the year 2024 is we are far more likely to see racism when there is none than to actuallly see racism.
The realiity is this. There currently is an 8-page thread - much bigger than this one - talking about they view Hull as suspicious. And CWR refers to Commownealth World Record not Caucasian World Record.
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Butterzzzz wrote:
Doping?? wrote:
There’s literally an entire several page long thread debating if Hull is doping …
When I went to letsrun to see rxns to the 1500wr there were only two threads about it being promoted on letsruns homepage (they claim an algorithm determines which threads get those spots—I don’t go sifting through the threads), one for kipyegon, one for hull. They were, at the time, vibing on two totally different wavelengths
False. An algorithm doesn't do anything on letsrun and we've never said it does.
We pride ourselves on being a human search engine. A computer puts up "super hot threads" and that's it (and counts the most popular threads at the bottom of the forum).
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douglas burke wrote:
effervescent wrote:
Does he still coach? Rodgers?
I think Bill Rodgers was coached by Bill Squires in his Prime, Pete Julian May have Consulted Bill Rodgers as he became mostly self coached, I am sure Pete Julian contributed to Bill Rodgers career as I am Sure Bill Squires consulted with him about training methods, but I think Bill Squires was Rodgers Main Coach.
I meant Raevyn Rogers.
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Coach Timmons Training wrote:
Trump #1 wrote:
Were they wearing new prototype Nike middle distance spikes similar to ones worn by 5000 & 10000 runners in US trials?The 5 & 10 runners typically have not been in the ones with air bags.
However, Chebet WAS wearing the airbags when she set the 10000m WR on May 25.
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rojo wrote:
sss9 wrote:
Caucasian World Record, right, you disgusting racist?
Amazing. That post and this one:
Butterzzzz wrote:
Kipyegon’s wr thread is all doping this and doping that but hull gets nothing but praise….The reality in the year 2024 is we are far more likely to see racism when there is none tthan to actuallly see racism.
The realiity is this. There currently is an 8-page thread - much bigger than this one - talking about they view Hull as suspicious. And CWR refers to Commownealth World Record not Caucasian World Record.
I thought they meant "Clean WR"
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woooooow wrote:
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
5th all time
The women's 1500m in Paris is going to be an absolute cat fight! I cannot wait!
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I won’t be surprised if it’s something like a repeat of today, a blistering race, except with Tsegay in the top three, wearing the air bags, as well.
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rojo wrote:
sss9 wrote:
Caucasian World Record, right, you disgusting racist?
Amazing. That post and this one:
Butterzzzz wrote:
Kipyegon’s wr thread is all doping this and doping that but hull gets nothing but praise….The reality in the year 2024 is we are far more likely to see racism when there is none than to actuallly see racism.
The realiity is this. There currently is an 8-page thread - much bigger than this one - talking about they view Hull as suspicious. And CWR refers to Commownealth World Record not Caucasian World Record.
Oh my…the reality is that you are oblivious to racism.
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nodope wrote:
Clean world best?
Not clean at all. Women can't run even remotely close to 3.50,clean,and i wouldn't be surprised if they can't even break 4 minutes,clean. Its not the fancy shoes either,because she's worn them for years. Didnt she run an 8.23 indoors 3000 this year? That too,is ridiculous.
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rojo wrote:
The reality in the year 2024 is we are far more likely to see racism when there is none than to actuallly see racism.
Stay in your lane cub scout.
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rojo wrote:
sss9 wrote:
Caucasian World Record, right, you disgusting racist?
Amazing. That post and this one:
Butterzzzz wrote:
Kipyegon’s wr thread is all doping this and doping that but hull gets nothing but praise….The reality in the year 2024 is we are far more likely to see racism when there is none than to actuallly see racism.
The realiity is this. There currently is an 8-page thread - much bigger than this one - talking about they view Hull as suspicious. And CWR refers to Commownealth World Record not Caucasian World Record.
Commonwealth record not Commonwealth world record.
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TheTortoise wrote:
Nice interview, thank you Jess Hull.
She said she thought her “splits” indicated she was in 3:52 shape. “Splits” are from workouts, I presume, and an Instagram post from two days shows her running workouts in the non-airbag shoes, whereas, she was wearing the airbags today.
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zxcvzxcv wrote:
Here are two progressions:
Faith Kipyegon, January 10, 1994:
1500 Metres
2010 4:17.1h Nairobi (KEN) 17 JUN 2010
2011 4:09.48 Lille (FRA) 09 JUL 2011
2012 4:03.82 Shanghai Stadium, Shanghai (CHN) 19 MAY 2012 (Age 18, at level of Americans Cain and Efraimson when they were in hs)
2013 3:56.98 Suhaim bin Hamad Stadium, Doha (QAT) 10 MAY 2013 (7s drop at 19)
2014 3:58.01 Hayward Field, Eugene, OR (USA) 31 MAY 2014 (Also * 8:23 3k this year at 20)
2015 3:59.32 Boudewijnstadion, Bruxelles (BEL) 11 SEP 2015
2016 3:56.41 Hayward Field, Eugene, OR (USA) 28 MAY 2016 (1st pr in 3y, half a second)
2017 3:57.04 Boudewijnstadion, Bruxelles (BEL) 01 SEP 2017
2019 3:54.22 Khalifa International Stadium, Doha (QAT) 05 OCT 2019 (1st major drop since 2013, after six years, a year after giving birth to her daughter in 2018, she drops 2s)
2020 3:59.05 Mestský Stadion, Ostrava (CZE) 08 SEP 2020What follows is well beyond anything she'd done before at age 27, a 3s drop, the same age as Hull, but part of it was the shoes, and her pr at this point was from Champs and she could be figured to drop time in a Monaco setup single race.
2021 3:51.07 Stade Louis II, Monaco (MON) 09 JUL 2021 (superspikes/Monaco, 3s drop)
2022 3:50.37 Stade Louis II, Monaco (MON) 10 AUG 2022 (another .8s drop)
2023 3:49.11 Stadio Luigi Ridolfi, Firenze (ITA) 02 JUN 2023 (WR, another 1.2s drop at 29)
2024 3:49.04 Stade Charléty, Paris (FRA) 07 JUL 2024 (WR at 30!)Jessica Hull, October 22, 1996:
Notable that she was really slow at 800m until this year. Her pr had been 2:03.78 in 2019 at age 22. This year she ran 1:59.99 June 22, the obvious precursor to this race. So, her speed is markedly improved and the leader went through 800m in about 2:03 today.
2011 4:45.85 Sydney (AUS) 12 MAR 2011
2012 4:28.11 Sydney (AUS) 18 MAR 2012
2013 4:27.60 Townsville (AUS) 07 DEC 2013
2014 4:20.66 Sydney (AUS) 08 FEB 2014
2015 4:20.49 Sydney (AUS) 28 FEB 2015
2017 4:13.48 Eugene, OR (USA) 05 MAY 2017 (big drop in two years after going to Oregon)
2018 4:08.75 Eugene, OR (USA) 09 JUN 2018 (another big drop)
2019 4:01.80 Khalifa International Stadium, Doha (QAT) 03 OCT 2019 (19 second drop in three years in Oregon)
2020 4:00.42 Olympiastadion, Berlin (GER) 13 SEP 2020
2021 3:58.81 National Stadium, Tokyo (JPN) 04 AUG 2021 (another 1.5 second drop from COVID year, but now she's got the superspikes, presumably, as a Nike athlete)
2022 3:59.31 Hayward Field, Eugene, OR (USA) 28 MAY 2022
2023 3:57.29 Stadio Luigi Ridolfi, Firenze (ITA) 02 JUN 2023 (another 1.5 sec drop after 2y)
2024 3:50.83 Stade Charléty, Paris (FRA) 07 JUL 2024 (total 6.5s drop from 2023 at age 27)Well you miss some things of course. She switched coaches to Patrick Sang in 2019 after pregnancy and got the superspikes too. In 2020 she focused on speed with no championships and lowered her 800 PB to 1:57.68 (win) and before that tried to set a world record at 1,000 (3 attempts, all wins) 2:29.1 best ~ by points worth a 3:54 from a strength 1500m runner with marginally smaller spike effect. So you have a coaching switch, faster spikes, wavelight and a focus on records. She was winning everything before her pregnancy but didn’t seem to chase times a la Jakob in 2022 vs 2023.
The Hull progression is far more surprising to me. She was running maximally hard in the fastest spikes before this. She’s just a very changed runner. Hoping she’s clean!
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