KESSLER HOLY SH!T 1:43!!!

proud of the boards, where the haters decide there is nothing to hate, i guess.

beautiful moment kessler and miller share a moment, with their 143s.

precious

btw

kessler is learning to be boss.

which probably is inate in the first place.

while life humbles all, it is nice to be on a roll.

Brandon Miller made the 1:43...but it also doesn't matter because of the shoes...but you can't give Hobbs any credit for being fit enough to maneuver this race because...well he stole it from the...uh...what did you call Miller before? Just curious cuz it sounded a little funny!

Miller and Kessler seemed pretty happy together after they finished, wholesome.

If you go looking for hate you would find it in your own heart and mind first, son

dont try so hard

you mad bro ?

Fortunately, nobody cares.

Well, Hobbs also does pure speed development (flying 10s and 30s) which seems pretty unique among high-level distance runners.

I've had some of my 1600/800 runners do similar things as a coach which has had really impressive results. I'm starting to think sprint-type training is great for certain types of middle distance runners.

Kessler totally looks like he can go faster than 1:43. Amazing stuff.

Lewis Johnson: “See that Eiffel Tower over there? How would you feel about seeing the real one?”

Hobbs: “Did you see the mile? I’m already going to Paris”

Stop with the racing spikes crap. Training shoes are helping immensely. It is allowing for massive amounts of threshold. The combo of good, fast training shoes and easier, less dangerous training has given way to a a new type of fitness. Racing spikes have little to do with all of this.

And even more that Jakob can run low 4:43 in the 2000m.

You’re right because 800 depth is down and 1500 depth is actually extremely good. A 1:43 guy is our third best 1500m runner, that’s too much depth. This is the Teare situation all over again but at least Hobbes is a real threat in the 1500m to still medal.

king999...I could not agree more. I do not follow training logs/methods like others do on this board; but what I can say is that one of the biggest ingredients of his training is hill work. This applies for his mid-distance and distance runners. Even in the 1980's, we routinely did Harvards, Ridgeways, Huron golf course, and Arbs. Looking at what the VNTC does....this hasn't changed. We never called workouts threshold workouts, but my feeling is that Barton tempos and long repeats both on the golf course and track were the equivalent of today's threshold workouts. I agree with others on this thread, Hobbs is in a good situation with Ron coaching him (along with his dad), and having mentors like Willis and Flanagan. Add in Hoppel and Beadelscomb and the VNTC really has a good thing going.

King999....do you know if any others are going to join VNTC? Recent grads Brady and Foster?

Hill work? Pure speed development? Sounds like he's doing all the parts of Lydiard that no one actually reads.

He's the fastest miler in US high school history (doesn't matter if it was in a 1500), pushing toward his potential.

Fairly certain Jingy & co also do speed development on Mondays. Not sure if it’s the exact same type, but I’m fairly certain they do it.

I must admit: I did not see that coming. Wow indeed.

If he makes both the 1500 and the 800, does he double, or just stick to the 1500?

Happy to see that Kessler is going to quit the event if he makes the team. There are so few spots and so few people able to fulfill their dream to the Olympics, that you don't want too many people going.

With no disrespect to Nguse, I really doubt that he runs 1:44.xx, I just don't see him being that explosive. Now on the other end, if he were into it/wanted it, I could see him running 12:40 something.

Great to see Hobbs’ development this year. It’s a tough era for 800/1500m men. Funnily enough the guy who beckoned in this fast championships era is Tim Cheruiyot, an 800/15 guy himself. But Tim was that level of good 1:43-low solo (probably 1:42 in a fast race) and 3:27 fitness to do that. He wanted fast races not because of his profile but because of the gap to everyone else. Most 8/15 guys would love if the World Finals/Rounds were slower like back in the old days. They all train up (including Hobbs) to sub-7:35 shape minimum for that reason.

I've been saying for years now that Hobbs has more talent than Willis. I don't think it's really even a hot take since he ran 3:34 in HS after running seriously for like 2 years, although people seem to disagree.

The thing that I always wonder when Hobbs runs is how many other kids are there that could be running this fast if they had the setup he did? Like training under Warhurst with Nick Willis since he was a junior in HS, and the only time that changed was for the semester he went to NAU. Birnbaum is the one that sticks out in my mind because he was sub-4 as a junior and 3:37 as a senior. Could he have run 3:35 as a senior if Warhurst was his coach and he had a multi-Olympic medalist to train with and mentor him? Sadly, his progression has been hindered by Jerry. Always keep in mind that progression isn't linear. I was arguing that with people here in 2022 when Kessler was only throwing down 3:36s, and in 2023 he basically said I was right when he said he made big steps mentally in 2022, but his times didn't reflect that. With that said, Birnbaum wasn't running good times, and he's not getting racing experience. Hopefully it's just your average bad freshman year and he puts it together next year.