Of course it's not certain. But she has the fastest time in the event.
Since when does that guarantee people make teams and win tactical championship finals?
Since when is the 400 a tactical final? Being over a half-second faster than any of your competitors is huge in a 400. Of course there is never any guarantee, but even Sydney can clip a hurdle and a hit a landing wrong. She would be the favorite in the 400 with probably at least a 90% chance of finishing top 3. Why not hedge your bets?
She still gets to go to the Olympics, just not in the 800m.
Falls are part of the sport, and if you race enough, you acquire the skills that allow you to reduce your risk of a fall. It's just a shame she had to learn that lesson at such a critical moment.
As much as it is crappy this happened to Mu it also prevented Hurta Klecker from possibly getting top 3. This is why the Olympic trials is great. Top 3 period. Should go back to that World Athletics. Get rid of standards and World rankings
You best believe Nike is trying to make it happen. Just like they tried, and failed, when Sha’Carri got popped for weed 3 years ago. The isn't golf or tennis where the special ones get bys.
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. Any competitor or participant responsible for jostling, running across, or obstructing another competitor or participant so as to impede his or her progress shall be liable to disqualification in that event. The Referee shall have the authority to order the race be re-held, excluding any disqualified competitor(s), for one, some or all competitors seriously affected by jostling or obstruction or allow such competitors to compete in a subsequent round of the race. Normally, such competitor(s) should have completed the event with bona fide effort. The Referee shall also have the authority to order the race be re-held or advance one, some or all competitors seriously affected by jostling or obstruction that is unintentional or caused otherwise than by a competitor if it is just and reasonable to do so
As bad as this idea is in writing, listening to you on the reaction show explaining your thought process in a minimally intelligible manner leaves me only one question: are you drunk or do you have a neurodegenerative disease? Three athletes just won their positions on the Olympic team. Mu was not impeded. Watch the race, while sober.
Totally sober.
Insiders know I"ve been pointing out for years that the rule exists but I've never seen it implemented. I think it certainly should have been used like when Morgan Uceny went down at Worlds or Alysia Montano went down at the Trials.
THe question I have is, do you need a foul? I mean if someone threw Mu to the ground so a teammate could make it, I think you re-run the race. THat's not what happened here but I started this thread for two reasons 1) it was devastating to watch and 2) I've long been personaly fascinated by this rule which I've never seen used.
Back in my first year of coaching, the Cornell team was up by 3 entereing the 4 x 400. We won it but got DQd. The team that was 3 points behind us didn't score but the officials announced they were going to re-run the race without us in it (as our runner fouled tehir runner and caused him not to score).
The ultimately didn't re-run it. At the time, I thought it was crazy they were going to re-run it but now that I know about the rule, I"m surprsied they didn't.
1. Learn to race and be attentive to the space around you. If you can't then be a time trialing rail hugger.
2. This is why racing with some frequency helps. The more experience you have the faster you learn to race better.
3. No special rules for people who can't race well or get unlucky. It's tough luck and try again in 4 years. I don't want a stumbling and jittery headcase on the Olympic team if she couldn't finish top 3 in the US trials.
Can people stop criticizing Mu who was somehow smart enought and good enough at racing to win the Olympic 800 gold with limited experience? SHe's not "a jittery headcase". SHe's the goddman Olympic champion who has been injured. If she was healthy no way she'd be running in that pack.
ALl of that being said, I've rewatched the video now several times. No re-run should happen. While I think it was an accident, she does maybe appear to be at fault if anyone was at fault.
She’s used to having the fitness and confidence to front run. However, her lack of race practice and use of different tactics was her undoing. She caused that fall herself by trying to cut in when there was no space to do so. Those are the cold hard facts.
I feel bad for her. She is a great champion, and I’m sure she’ll learn a hard lesson from this. I expect she will take this loss with the same style and grace she displays when she wins.
I doubt that Mu will learn a lesson from this. Mu did the same thing in the 2021 Trials and cut off Nia Akins, causing Mu to almost fall and Akins to fall. Mu didn't learn. She did the same thing again today.
And Mu almost got passed on the inside by Keely 2 years ago, and last year Mu ran away from the rail again and Keely passed her on the inside. Mu is not interested in learning. She has even said in interviews that she runs far away from the rail because she feels like it. She's not interested in learning how to race.
1. Learn to race and be attentive to the space around you. If you can't then be a time trialing rail hugger.
2. This is why racing with some frequency helps. The more experience you have the faster you learn to race better.
3. No special rules for people who can't race well or get unlucky. It's tough luck and try again in 4 years. I don't want a stumbling and jittery headcase on the Olympic team if she couldn't finish top 3 in the US trials.
Can people stop criticizing Mu who was somehow smart enought and good enough at racing to win the Olympic 800 gold with limited experience? SHe's not "a jittery headcase". SHe's the goddman Olympic champion who has been injured. If she was healthy no way she'd be running in that pack.
You're forgetting that Mu almost didn't finish top 3 at the 2021 Trials which means she wouldn't have even made it to the Olympics. In the 2021 Trials Mu cut off Nia Akins and Mu almost fell. Mu got lucky that Akins went down and not her.
Unfortunately the top 3 finishers signed the Eiffel Tower thingy which is legally binding so it's too late
I didn't watch the men's steeple. Did they still have the top 3 finishers sign the Eiffel tower there? That would be kind of funny if they had to check the standard list before allowing people to sign.
just waking up to this in the UK, so a couple observations
1) I get Rojo doesn’t actually want a re-run, but the other people upset that Mu won’t be at the OLY and feel it’s unfair / should be rectified are missing the point. This is life. That this is the whole purpose of the trials. You can’t just auto-assign your favourites to go on the team, nor change results when your desired outcome doesn’t happen
2) Obviously more racing this season (or every year) would’ve helped but it’s still a big tactical mistake - Keely front ran every round of the Europeans in order to stay out of trouble. If you’re a class above the field, use that.
3) Someone is going to have to get a whiteboard out and explain to me WHY TF WHEN SHE GOT UP DID SHE STILL RUN THE REST OF THE RACE IN THE OUTSIDE OF LANE 1. Just further demonstrating her racing naivety and highlighting why she needs way more racing experience than Bobby gives her.
4) Gotta feel for Sage. Not only impacted here in this race but also was brought down (and broke her arm) in the 2021 Champs too? Terrible luck.
ps - I can’t believe in only a few months we’ve gone from a Olympic showdown of Moraa vs Keely vs Mu & Kipchoge vs Kiptum, and now we’re getting neither…
3. No special rules for people who can't race well or get unlucky. It's tough luck and try again in 4 years.
Can people stop criticizing Mu who was somehow smart enought and good enough at racing to win the Olympic 800 gold with limited experience? SHe's not "a jittery headcase". SHe's the goddman Olympic champion who has been injured. If she was healthy no way she'd be running in that pack.
We have a brutally fair system that takes the top 3 from the day that matters. There are no passes because somebody got injured and isn't fit enough to front run like they normally do. The defending World Champion does get a pass for WC, but not Olympics. She is a great runner and it is too bad she won't get the opportunity to race in the Olympics. But realistically, she has never learned to race in a pack and showed that here by making a sudden side move and clipping the runner behind her. There was no reason to make this move. It was poor tactics and she is to blame. Good luck to her next time.
All this whining about "my favorite person didn't win! Re-run the race!" is what you expect out of an elementary school student, not adults. The rules are fair and were followed. The top 3 are the team.
Fairest thing may be to just let Athing Mu run a solo time trial and see if she beats any of them. I’m sorry, this isn’t about your Olympic story. It’s about gold medals. Not taking Mu will cost the US a gold medal through no fault of her own.
I didn't watch the men's steeple. Did they still have the top 3 finishers sign the Eiffel tower there? That would be kind of funny if they had to check the standard list before allowing people to sign.
No one watched the men's steeple since the coverage cut to pole vault and some other field events plus commercials... Absolute joke... I recall someone in some thread being like yo why bootleg stream this... It's only $20... Fucj you peacock, wouldn't pay $5
How about a race-off just between Juliette Whittaker (3rd) and Sage Hurta-Klecker, to decide who makes the team? Sage was the one both most impeded AND not at fault in any way. She had nothing to do with the fall. No need to bring everyone back for a re-race -- making the team is what most counts, and this would resolve it.
Please remember that THERE IS NO OLYMPIC RULE saying selection must be top three at national championships - that's something the US have decided for themselves - for historical reasons that are probably interesting and deserves their own thread.
Can people stop criticizing Mu who was somehow smart enought and good enough at racing to win the Olympic 800 gold with limited experience? SHe's not "a jittery headcase". SHe's the goddman Olympic champion who has been injured. If she was healthy no way she'd be running in that pack.
We have a brutally fair system that takes the top 3 from the day that matters. There are no passes because somebody got injured and isn't fit enough to front run like they normally do. The defending World Champion does get a pass for WC, but not Olympics. She is a great runner and it is too bad she won't get the opportunity to race in the Olympics. But realistically, she has never learned to race in a pack and showed that here by making a sudden side move and clipping the runner behind her. There was no reason to make this move. It was poor tactics and she is to blame. Good luck to her next time.
All this whining about "my favorite person didn't win! Re-run the race!" is what you expect out of an elementary school student, not adults. The rules are fair and were followed. The top 3 are the team.
I get this, and I like the fairness aspect of it but I think people are probably more concerned that it sometimes means the best team doesn't always get selected. This is specifically for the distance events from 800 upwards. In the sprints, the top 3 at the US trials are likely to have at least one, probably multiple medallists at the Olympics. In the distance events, the US has so few genuine medal contenders that if one misses out due to a fall or something similar, then the three that make the team probably won't replace that medal. Realistically, do you think Akins, Wilson, or Whittaker are going to medal in Paris? The odds are low. How many distance medals will the US win now? Hocker and Nuguse have good shots, then there's a few outsiders who will need a lot to go right for them (Fisher, St Pierre, Hoppel). I doubt any will win gold. Mu was almost nailed on for a medal and probably gold.