Kessler got a little tripped up and then just jumped off the track even though he EASILY could have kept running. He was perfectly fine, it wouldn't even have cost him a quarter of a second. It was a cowardly move by Kessler.
Teare, on the other hand, got tripped really badly but kept running and still managed a 3:53.
Ebenyo got tripped and fell in the 10,000, lost around 30-40 seconds, got up and still finished in 27:27. In my mind he was a lock in top 3 for Paris. Life is not fair.
However, I'm thinking Kenyan selectors can still select Ebenyo. Kibet, the tiny 5 feet tall runner, who finished 3rd, is good but in no way comparably as good as Ebenyo.
The whole finish the race nonsense is right up there with low class people telling their kids to finish their dinner plate.
Winners don't perform like normal people who think turning up and trying your best is what matters. Same with food, upper classes routinely leave food on their plate cos rich people have an abundance mindset.
He did the right thing, nobody does well after getting clattered in distance events, so waste of time continuing.
Kessler got a little tripped up and then just jumped off the track even though he EASILY could have kept running. He was perfectly fine, it wouldn't even have cost him a quarter of a second. It was a cowardly move by Kessler.
Teare, on the other hand, got tripped really badly but kept running and still managed a 3:53.
I would love to see you say this to his face, just so can tell you to yours that he doesn't care what you think. I guess the dream will have to do...
Kessler got a little tripped up and then just jumped off the track even though he EASILY could have kept running. He was perfectly fine, it wouldn't even have cost him a quarter of a second. It was a cowardly move by Kessler.
Teare, on the other hand, got tripped really badly but kept running and still managed a 3:53.
I mean this got a ton of downvotes but not sure why.
Look I think Kessler is a great talent and I want to see him succeed but in no world did he need to step off the track there and it's mildly concerning he did.
Firstly, he's not getting DQ'd in the Pre mile for taking a bunch of steps on the inside of the track on a straight when there clearly was an inadvertent incident. Who is DQ'ing him - Caprioti? Yeah don't think so.
Why I think it's mildly concerning is that if you are out there absolutely desperate to be in that race and compete, you don't stop for an incident like that. It's a purely subconscious thing - your split second reaction isn't "well okay, I'll just stop".
You just don't want to plant these habit forming seeds in that subconscious that if/when you stumble in a race it's ruined you so bad you can step off the track. The example of Teare actually is a good one - he had even more cause to step off the track, but kept going. And what is 3.53 for him? Absolutely nothing - not even close to his PR, he can probably run that in a time trial if he wanted to. But again, he keeps going because you never ever plant this potential option into your mind.
I don't know if it was cowardly - that seems harsh. But it definitely wasn't a positive.
1-Hocker tried to cut inside BEFORE being fully clear of kessler. He was ahead of kessler but not clear of his stride by any means.
2-Kessler put out an arm and said NO WAY BRO, you are not in front of me (yet) and I am not slowing down to let you in. Stay outside.
3-Hocker slapped Kessler's arm down and went for the inside line.
4-Kessler slowed up, ever so slightly and let Hocker in, but Hocker was right in front of him so Hocker's trailing foot made contact with Kessler's forward foot (or Kesslers forward foot made contact with Hocker's trailing foot ...same thing).
5-Hocker stumbled and slowed and flailed to keep on his feet.
6-His flailing rear foot made another contact with Kessler and now Kessler was left with nowhere to go but to the infield. Hocker, with cat-like reflexes, somehow stayed on his feet and kept moving forward (but I think the episode decreased his chances of placing as he probably was pumping lots of adrenaline for 30 seconds after that.)
7-Kessler probably could have jumped back in at the back of the pack but the competitive aspect of his race was, in fact, over once he was knocked to the infield.
Watching the video at 1/4 speed coming up to the incident, it was shocking to see how aggressively Hocker kept elbowing and cutting in on Kessler, even when they were running almost side by side.
I've not been a fan of Kessler, due to his accusations of competitors, but this unsporting abusive aggression by Hocker has now made me more of a fan of his at least where the two of them are concerned and I hope he beats Hocker every time from now on.
lighten up on him. theres a chance he felt something and in the time it took to check his body out and make sure it wasn't an injury the race was long gone.
maybe if it wasn't an Olympic year he guts it out, but his goal this season is Paris, not Eugene. i don't blame him. play it safe.
LOL.
You think he thought this through like that i the moment? No.
Bro got tripped up a bit and his FIRST IMPULSE was to quit, not to fight.
Diagnosis complete. Watch the video.
"You think he thought this through like that i the moment? No." actually completely plausible if something hurt
Fair enough. That is a trend and can be described as "every year." Weird that I don't remember him that way.
The DNSs bothered me (back then) because we would drive out to watch him race and then find out he wasn't going to be on the line. That was not great... But since most of those DNFs were in Europe, they must not have been on my radar.
And because he won so many national titles, the impression he left with fans in that era was that he was simply on a different level from the rest of the Americans.
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This is silly. In the mile, at the speed they are going at, being brought to a sudden stop effectively ends your race. To get back up to speed you would have to expend too much energy.
Mo Farah famously took a huge tumble in a 5000m heat a few years ago but was able to get back into it because it was a 5000m (and he was a freak with sub 50 400m speed, sub 1:50 800m, sub 3:29 1500m)
The whole finish the race nonsense is right up there with low class people telling their kids to finish their dinner plate.
Winners don't perform like normal people who think turning up and trying your best is what matters. Same with food, upper classes routinely leave food on their plate cos rich people have an abundance mindset.
He did the right thing, nobody does well after getting clattered in distance events, so waste of time continuing.
Here’s where your little analogy fails:
“Upper classes” have an abundance of food. Hobbs Kessler does not have an abundance of strong Diamond League placings. It’s possible he never will. (On what basis would he even be invited to a DL 1500 so far this season, outside of the US?)
For real “winner” mentality, look to actual winners? Do you think actual champs and MVPs Jordan and Bryant had this type of quit in them?
Better example, Joshua Cheptegei bonked badly in world XC, staggered home to a terrible placing. The same guy who won the next championship and then broke multiple WRs. That’s a guy who has actually EARNED an abundance mentality. And didn’t quit in the worst possible circumstance other than massive injury. Get it?
Some of the stupidest stuff I ever read on this one. And I am blaming no one here. Hocker is looking to get in where he has no room, Kessler is in a really good spot in 6th
hocker gets in
Slight rub
Kessler steps on his back foot knocked off balance steps over curb for 2 plus steps on grass
His race is over
I don't think you get dq'd for running inside the rail on the straight (when a fall/ contact causes it) unless you pass someone while inside the rail. (Particularly in a non-championship meet. If Hobbs finished right behind Hocker in 8th at 3:49.xx do you really think the officials are going to DQ him when it makes absolutely no difference to anything)
On the curve yes, but not on the straight. In any case, he should have finished the race unless he was badly spiked/ injured which it doesn't look like he was. Do I think this miscue makes Kessler an irredeemable athlete? Of course not. I just hope he runs with a little more grit come championship season.
I believe this is true. Even one step inside on the TURN is a violation and DQ. Two steps inside on the STRAIGHT probably results in nothing at all. Bad break for Hobbs.
In the end, this is small bump in the road. Far from a catastrophe.
Fair enough. That is a trend and can be described as "every year." Weird that I don't remember him that way.
The DNSs bothered me (back then) because we would drive out to watch him race and then find out he wasn't going to be on the line. That was not great... But since most of those DNFs were in Europe, they must not have been on my radar.
And because he won so many national titles, the impression he left with fans in that era was that he was simply on a different level from the rest of the Americans.
Fair points! He was incredibly accomplished and you’re right that he usually delivered at home. Just seemed pretty comfortable bailing out of races on the circuit.
This is silly. In the mile, at the speed they are going at, being brought to a sudden stop effectively ends your race. To get back up to speed you would have to expend too much energy.
Mo Farah famously took a huge tumble in a 5000m heat a few years ago but was able to get back into it because it was a 5000m (and he was a freak with sub 50 400m speed, sub 1:50 800m, sub 3:29 1500m)
And he had a Mo Farah mentality.
Hobbs is young (well, 21) so we’ll be seeing what a Hobbs Kessler mentality is and becomes. I hope it includes the fight he showed in LA over the way Eugene went.
The whole finish the race nonsense is right up there with low class people telling their kids to finish their dinner plate.
Winners don't perform like normal people who think turning up and trying your best is what matters. Same with food, upper classes routinely leave food on their plate cos rich people have an abundance mindset.
He did the right thing, nobody does well after getting clattered in distance events, so waste of time continuing.
Have you ever heard of Kenneth Rooks?
Fell in the steeplechase at last year's USA Championships and came back to win.
I guess he should have just quit though.
Apparently according to Letsrun if you aren't in 1st or 2nd at the bell lap, you are better off just quitting and saving your energy.