Kerr has beaten him in their last meeting to win the WC in Jakob's main event, which he has never won. That puts Kerr above Ingebrigtsen by that measure of achievement. But keep arguing how losing is still better.
..by that measure of achievement (what a laughable attempt of defense).
Ingebrigtsen: 23 years old, Kerr: 26 years old 1500m performances: 1st I 3:27.14 - K 3:29.05 5th I 3:28.72 - K 3:30.51 10th I 3:29.47 - K 3:32.28 20th I 3:31.72 - K 3:35.99 1500m global champs: 2016 WU20 I 9 - K 10 2019 WC I 4 - K 6 2021 OG I 1 - K 3 2022 WC I 2 - K 5 2023 WC I 2 - K 1
Looking just at the 1500m results, Ingebrigtsen is clearly ahead of Kerr, it's not close. Looking at all their results, Ingebrigtsen already is an all-time great, Kerr not.
Currently? Hard to say when Ingebrigtsen hasn't raced since September and reportadly has had injury problems. Also, Kerr has had fantastic results this year. But we don't have just these two and the 1500m in Paris promises to become one of the great ones in history.
Career comparisons mean nothing at the finish line. There, Kerr is the world champion; Jakob isn't.
It may change the conversation but not the fact that Kerr has the WC gold medal and Jakob the silver in Jakob's main event. No amount of discussion about their relative merits as runners alters that.
I think anybody reading such threads knows that Kerr has beaten Ingebrigtsen last year at the world champs over 1500m. How many times do you want to state it? What's your main message you want to tell?
Kerr is currently better? Possible. What do you know about Ingebrigtsen's current form? How good is Kerr? I strongly believe we will see clearly sub 3:28 from him in the summer (baring injury).
The thread title says Jakob is "insulted by any comparison with Kerr". Only a supreme egotist and his blind fans would take that view. Kerr and Wightman have shown they were both the better athlete on the day in the most important races since the last Olympic final. They are more than worthy rivals and should be respected as such. But that isn't in his nature - or that of his fans.
..by that measure of achievement (what a laughable attempt of defense).
Ingebrigtsen: 23 years old, Kerr: 26 years old 1500m performances: 1st I 3:27.14 - K 3:29.05 5th I 3:28.72 - K 3:30.51 10th I 3:29.47 - K 3:32.28 20th I 3:31.72 - K 3:35.99 1500m global champs: 2016 WU20 I 9 - K 10 2019 WC I 4 - K 6 2021 OG I 1 - K 3 2022 WC I 2 - K 5 2023 WC I 2 - K 1
Looking just at the 1500m results, Ingebrigtsen is clearly ahead of Kerr, it's not close. Looking at all their results, Ingebrigtsen already is an all-time great, Kerr not.
Currently? Hard to say when Ingebrigtsen hasn't raced since September and reportadly has had injury problems. Also, Kerr has had fantastic results this year. But we don't have just these two and the 1500m in Paris promises to become one of the great ones in history.
Career comparisons mean nothing at the finish line. There, Kerr is the world champion; Jakob isn't.
Jakob is the Olympic champion; Kerr isn't. What's your point again?
No comparison. One is world 🌎 champ and one is not
And one is Olympic champ and one is not!
and the Olympic champion has failed at beating the last two world champion 1500m runners. World>>>>>Olympics. Add in the fact he only won that olympic 1500m because Tim did the dirty work now what are we talking about. Just diamond league pacel ight dominance not true championship dominance there's a difference and the only 1500m finals he hasn't been sick in was the COVID one lol when no one was there.
..by that measure of achievement (what a laughable attempt of defense).
Ingebrigtsen: 23 years old, Kerr: 26 years old 1500m performances: 1st I 3:27.14 - K 3:29.05 5th I 3:28.72 - K 3:30.51 10th I 3:29.47 - K 3:32.28 20th I 3:31.72 - K 3:35.99 1500m global champs: 2016 WU20 I 9 - K 10 2019 WC I 4 - K 6 2021 OG I 1 - K 3 2022 WC I 2 - K 5 2023 WC I 2 - K 1
Looking just at the 1500m results, Ingebrigtsen is clearly ahead of Kerr, it's not close. Looking at all their results, Ingebrigtsen already is an all-time great, Kerr not.
Currently? Hard to say when Ingebrigtsen hasn't raced since September and reportadly has had injury problems. Also, Kerr has had fantastic results this year. But we don't have just these two and the 1500m in Paris promises to become one of the great ones in history.
Career comparisons mean nothing at the finish line. There, Kerr is the world champion; Jakob isn't.
OK, it's all he can contribute. Something anybody knows. He states it again and again.
So, what's your conclusion of this so well known and from you so much liked fact? Ingebrigtsen has some sort of WC 1500m dilemma? But everything is right for other distances as well as for the Olympics?
What do you expect for the Paris 1500m? For me at the moment Ingebrigtsen is just slightly favoured. Let's wait for Pre.
Career comparisons mean nothing at the finish line. There, Kerr is the world champion; Jakob isn't.
Jakob is the Olympic champion; Kerr isn't. What's your point again?
Are you striving to present yourself as an idiot? The Olympic final was almost 4 years ago. Since then there have been two global championship finals - both of which Jakob lost. Both runners who beat him showed they had the measure of him. That isn't a runner who is clearly superior to his competition; he can be beaten in his main event - and in the big races.
Career comparisons mean nothing at the finish line. There, Kerr is the world champion; Jakob isn't.
OK, it's all he can contribute. Something anybody knows. He states it again and again.
So, what's your conclusion of this so well known and from you so much liked fact? Ingebrigtsen has some sort of WC 1500m dilemma? But everything is right for other distances as well as for the Olympics?
What do you expect for the Paris 1500m? For me at the moment Ingebrigtsen is just slightly favoured. Let's wait for Pre.
If "everybody knows" that Jakob was beaten in successive WC 1500 finals only an idiot would take the view he should be "insulted by the comparison with Kerr". Kerr showed Jakob can be beaten on the big occasion - as did also Wightman. There is no foregone conclusion for Jakob about Paris.
Are you striving to present yourself as an idiot? The Olympic final was almost 4 years ago.
2 years 9 months is almost 4 years for you? Well...
Whatever. Rescheduled because of Covid but still superseded by two WC finals. Two runners have been better than him over the 1500 on the only big occasions that count since.
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2 years 9 months is almost 4 years for you? Well...
Whatever. Rescheduled because of Covid but still superseded by two WC finals. Two runners have been better than him over the 1500 on the only big occasions that count since.
Ingy: 3:43, 7:54, 12:48, more strength than anyone but cant kick them down, only hold them off. He used to dominate because no one could go with him, but that era is over. Can he hold on?
Kerr: 3:29, 8:00, Good kick, not the best, but better than anyone with more strength than him, has beat Nuguse and Ingy head to head, beat a 26:33 guy. Has made a level up this offseason. Does he have the strength to go with both the 3:43 guys now?
Nuguse: 3:43, 13:02, Has the strength to go all the way with Ingy, in a slow race out kickers him, has beat Kerr head to head. has he leveled up to beat Ingy this year? His progression so far has been insane. if he keep at it he gets the mile and maybe wr easy.
Nordas, Cheruiyot, Myers, nameless Kenyans, etc: wild cards, very many could get 3rd if positioning is good
Beamish, Hocker, etc: not as great strength, but crazy ability to kick if its slow
Ingy: 3:43, 7:54, 12:48, more strength than anyone but cant kick them down, only hold them off. He used to dominate because no one could go with him, but that era is over. Can he hold on?
Kerr: 3:29, 8:00, Good kick, not the best, but better than anyone with more strength than him, has beat Nuguse and Ingy head to head, beat a 26:33 guy. Has made a level up this offseason. Does he have the strength to go with both the 3:43 guys now?
Nuguse: 3:43, 13:02, Has the strength to go all the way with Ingy, in a slow race out kickers him, has beat Kerr head to head. has he leveled up to beat Ingy this year? His progression so far has been insane. if he keep at it he gets the mile and maybe wr easy.
Nordas, Cheruiyot, Myers, nameless Kenyans, etc: wild cards, very many could get 3rd if positioning is good
Beamish, Hocker, etc: not as great strength, but crazy ability to kick if its slow
You've missed the tactical part of this. Remove the physical part of it, unless it is a huge top speed limiting factor (see: McSweyn) or shift of gears factor.
Jakob: astute tactically, very calm from any position, pretty good at navigating pack, top speed/gear shift only a minor limiting factor usually negated by beginning his kick early and having a top position
Kerr: physically imposing for some of the lighter 1500m guys, has become quite calm in these races, shiftiness only a minor limiting factor because he starts his moves early like Jakob, and can bully his way in
Nuguse: less trustworthy tactically, a little gangly, lacking a little shiftiness, to stay up front will typically have to run a little wide and be willing to fight for positioning earlier than he wants, better-positioned the more straightforward the race is
Nordas: somewhat of a one-trick pony tactically, wants to run in the back for 800m, get to the outside at 400m to go and start taking out runners one-by-one. A slow race is challenging for him
On the next level of guys, Tim fits the Nuguse pattern unless Doha was a sign he is going to go back to being more aggressive as a frontrunner. That solves a lot of his issues. Hocker and Mario are both really good tactical runners, who need a breakthrough physically (like Wightman got in 2022) potentially to medal. R. Cheruiyot, Myers, Laros monster talents that will keep learning how to race and improving upon their finish. Komen and Nader intriguing talents with good speed — interesting to see how fit they can get. Beamish the monster kicker, but passive tactically like Nordas but smart enough to know when and when not to worry about positioning.