This shouldn't count as a record. Hiltz says she's not a female, so she shouldn't get a female record.
It's not the same as identifying as a man; there's a burden of proof to prove you're a male. But if someone says they're not 40, you don't give them a masters' record anyway.
I noticed this back when Nikki Hiltz ran the women’s mile AR. look at all of their other American record posts, they’ll always add “men’s American record” or “women’s American record” except when Hiltz is involved. They’ll either just say “American record” or what they did on X(formerly known as Twitter)
What a joke! If they/them doesn’t want a women’s American record then they shouldn’t run in the women’s race! but the woke running “fans with phones” won’t call a spade a spade.
The weird part is I dont think she protests running in the women's division. She is not trans, she doesn't have DSD I believe, so it is indeed a women's record. She can certainly identify as they or whatever that's fine. But I would be surprised if she was triggered by saying they set a women's record. That's what she did. Not a non binary record, a women's record. Much more impressive. So it feels like we are woke, not her so to speak.
What’s the point of having a distinction like men’s/womens record if you can’t be consistent with it?
The writer made sure to phrase the sentences so at least one “they” could be added as a virtue signal. Kara Goucher likes to do the same thing in live commentary.
What’s the point of having a distinction like men’s/womens record if you can’t be consistent with it?
The writer made sure to phrase the sentences so at least one “they” could be added as a virtue signal. Kara Goucher likes to do the same thing in live commentary.
Kara is sooooo good at getting the they/them right. It's probably her best attribute as a broadcaster. Everything else is verbal diarrhea.
If Hiltz was a real activist they would sit out of women’s races until USATF/World Athletics created a non-binary category for athletics.
instead she takes the inconsistent route and runs against the women’s field. She isn’t brave, she isn’t strong, she is delusional.
The problem is, there is no such thing as “nonbinary.” So she doesn’t like dresses, or long hair, or whatever, she doesn’t have to, but it doesn’t prove she is done whole new identity of individual we never knew about until five years ago when suddenly everyone who wanted some oppression points and/or some attention realized they were this new thing all along. She has claimed that some days she “feels like a guy” but I would defy her to prove it beyond saying she identifies with a few traits that anyone can observe are masculine or tend to be found in men. She couldn’t tell men anything deep or insightful about being male just as men cannot tell women anything deep and insightful about being female. She’s a boyish woman and there’s nothing wrong with that. She’s also a fantastic runner and would be getting attention just for that even if she came to her senses and quit this dumb trendy charade, though she’ll probably feel like she’s stuck with it now. Even do, it’s better not to lie so she should accept reality.
The writer made sure to phrase the sentences so at least one “they” could be added as a virtue signal. Kara Goucher likes to do the same thing in live commentary.
Kara is sooooo good at getting the they/them right. It's probably her best attribute as a broadcaster. Everything else is verbal diarrhea.
I’m sure she practices. Last year in the 1500 Leigh Diffey suddenly started asking Kara about Nikki on like lap two when she was way back in the field, and it felt like a set up to give Kara 20-30 seconds to cram in as many “they/them” lines as possible. And then she won the race so it turned out Kara didn’t need the lap two virtue signal moment, but of course they couldn’t know she was going to win ahead of time so Kara was hedging her bets.
This shouldn't count as a record. Hiltz says she's not a female, so she shouldn't get a female record.
It's not the same as identifying as a man; there's a burden of proof to prove you're a male. But if someone says they're not 40, you don't give them a masters' record anyway.
False. Nikki Hiltz is female and always will be. Brue Jenner is a male and always will be. Not only should she not be forced to compete in the men's category, she should be forbidden from doing so unless you want to have two categories - open and female which may be the route we have to take.
I think many of the tweets are absurd - particularly the runnerspace one. It's not the fastest 1000 ever - plenty of HS boys have gone faster.
Now as a personal courtesy, I'm willing to call Bruce Caitlyn just like I'm willing to call many Robert's Bob if they so desire. Along those lines, Weldon long ago said we should respect desired pronouns on LRC forums but I think now he and I are both wondering if that's the case. Society can't exist without a respect for objective facts and the idea that Lia Thomas is a female is absurd. The idea that Nikki Hiltz is anything other than a female is equally absurd. Females can only set women's records end of story.
If Patrick Mahomes declares tomorrow that he's a she, would ESPN write glowing articles about how we finally have a dominant female QB? I wish some conservative leaning NFL star would do that just to make a mockery of the absurdity of it.
We live in a wild world. Elizabeth Warren has native American DNA in her family but she's not allowed to call herself a Native American while Lia Thomas has no male DNA in her but it's mandated that woman swim and shower with her?
And did you see what's happening in Canada? They allowed a 50-year old biological male to swim and shower with 13-year old females?
I don’t think it’s a kindness to “play along” with peoples’ mental illness. The kind thing to do is scold and correct them. 3-5 years from now we’ll look back at moments like this and wondered why we ever thought “non-binary” or any other form of transgenderism was acceptable in society.
Many women have competed in men's sports at all levels. There are always stories of female kickers in college football or female baseball players pitching on a boy's high school team. But men are not allowed to compete in women's sports.
The question has been asked multiple times here about what the record really is. 2:31 is listed in Track an Field News. Is that outdoor? Did Hiltz supposedly break the short track record? That can't be done on a 307 meter track.
I noticed this back when Nikki Hiltz ran the women’s mile AR. look at all of their other American record posts, they’ll always add “men’s American record” or “women’s American record” except when Hiltz is involved. They’ll either just say “American record” or what they did on X(formerly known as Twitter)
What a joke! If they/them doesn’t want a women’s American record then they shouldn’t run in the women’s race! but the woke running “fans with phones” won’t call a spade a spade.
This is woke, that is woke, everything that unhinges and triggers your potato sack of a brain is woke 😂
Leftists absolutely hate when people name the issue.
It is therefore particularly important to continue using perfectly well understood diction like this, since the Leftist's power is in redefining language to be meaningless and/or fit their frame. Continue!
The weird part is I dont think she protests running in the women's division. She is not trans, she doesn't have DSD I believe, so it is indeed a women's record. She can certainly identify as they or whatever that's fine. But I would be surprised if she was triggered by saying they set a women's record. That's what she did. Not a non binary record, a women's record. Much more impressive. So it feels like we are woke, not her so to speak.
This is woke, that is woke, everything that unhinges and triggers your potato sack of a brain is woke 😂
Leftists absolutely hate when people name the issue.
It is therefore particularly important to continue using perfectly well understood diction like this, since the Leftist's power is in redefining language to be meaningless and/or fit their frame. Continue!
Throwing terms around like "leftists" is just as meaningless - and unhinged.
I don’t think it’s a kindness to “play along” with peoples’ mental illness. The kind thing to do is scold and correct them. 3-5 years from now we’ll look back at moments like this and wondered why we ever thought “non-binary” or any other form of transgenderism was acceptable in society.
Absolutely correct, and illustrative of another weapon of the Leftist. It is unfortunately rather effective on the random person off the street, but call mutilation "care", replacement "diversity", letting the mentally ill/drug addicted live in their delusions "kindness", etc.
A vein of the "just be a good person"-type of liberal
This shouldn't count as a record. Hiltz says she's not a female, so she shouldn't get a female record.
It's not the same as identifying as a man; there's a burden of proof to prove you're a male. But if someone says they're not 40, you don't give them a masters' record anyway.
False. Nikki Hiltz is female and always will be. Brue Jenner is a male and always will be. Not only should she not be forced to compete in the men's category, she should be forbidden from doing so unless you want to have two categories - open and female which may be the route we have to take.
I think many of the tweets are absurd - particularly the runnerspace one. It's not the fastest 1000 ever - plenty of HS boys have gone faster.
Now as a personal courtesy, I'm willing to call Bruce Caitlyn just like I'm willing to call many Robert's Bob if they so desire. Along those lines, Weldon long ago said we should respect desired pronouns on LRC forums but I think now he and I are both wondering if that's the case. Society can't exist without a respect for objective facts and the idea that Lia Thomas is a female is absurd. The idea that Nikki Hiltz is anything other than a female is equally absurd. Females can only set women's records end of story.
If Patrick Mahomes declares tomorrow that he's a she, would ESPN write glowing articles about how we finally have a dominant female QB? I wish some conservative leaning NFL star would do that just to make a mockery of the absurdity of it.
We live in a wild world. Elizabeth Warren has native American DNA in her family but she's not allowed to call herself a Native American while Lia Thomas has no male DNA in her but it's mandated that woman swim and shower with her?
And did you see what's happening in Canada? They allowed a 50-year old biological male to swim and shower with 13-year old females?
Totally agree. Im trying to figure out why we choose Nikki of all people to bash the issues of T and F and trans athletes/DSD? She is not the example! She competes in the correct division and is female.
I don’t think it’s a kindness to “play along” with peoples’ mental illness. The kind thing to do is scold and correct them. 3-5 years from now we’ll look back at moments like this and wondered why we ever thought “non-binary” or any other form of transgenderism was acceptable in society.
No, we won't. Social change is very rarely reversed.
I don’t think it’s a kindness to “play along” with peoples’ mental illness. The kind thing to do is scold and correct them. 3-5 years from now we’ll look back at moments like this and wondered why we ever thought “non-binary” or any other form of transgenderism was acceptable in society.
Absolutely correct, and illustrative of another weapon of the Leftist. It is unfortunately rather effective on the random person off the street, but call mutilation "care", replacement "diversity", letting the mentally ill/drug addicted live in their delusions "kindness", etc.
A vein of the "just be a good person"-type of liberal
So still throwing your meaningless jargon around about "leftists". Says more about you than those you think you are describing.
I noticed this back when Nikki Hiltz ran the women’s mile AR. look at all of their other American record posts, they’ll always add “men’s American record” or “women’s American record” except when Hiltz is involved. They’ll either just say “American record” or what they did on X(formerly known as Twitter)
What a joke! If they/them doesn’t want a women’s American record then they shouldn’t run in the women’s race! but the woke running “fans with phones” won’t call a spade a spade.
Holy sh*t WHO CARES?? I can’t believe there’s 5 pages devoted to this. Any word spoken on this is an absolute waste of breath.
No one is going to get confused about Nikki running an American record. If they are confused they could figure it out in a matter of seconds