Back in the mid 80's there was a book about the world of time marathons/road races, it said that the NYC Marathon brought in more revenue than all the NY (and NJ) teams combined.
Live with it for a few hours on a Saturday/Sunday morning.
couple of studies have found increased mortality during big city marathons, because of longer times to get people to hospital.
I'm sure that's balanced by people inspired to healthier lives by big city marathons.
Yes and there are a lot of people running marathons who shouldn't be. I have a very overweight acquaintance who races regularly. He's very flabby and overweight and runs marathons (very slowly) and races a few times a month.
There's just no way he's healthy- I'm sure his arteries are clogged and his heart has to be working overtime.
If he ever has a medical emergency people will say- and he was so healthy he even ran marathons.
The obsession with completing endurance events at all costs is going to lead to more health emergencies like that. It's not that the streets are closed, those people likely should not have been running an endurance event in the first place.
couple of studies have found increased mortality during big city marathons, because of longer times to get people to hospital.
I'm sure that's balanced by people inspired to healthier lives by big city marathons.
Yes and there are a lot of people running marathons who shouldn't be. I have a very overweight acquaintance who races regularly. He's very flabby and overweight and runs marathons (very slowly) and races a few times a month.
There's just no way he's healthy- I'm sure his arteries are clogged and his heart has to be working overtime.
If he ever has a medical emergency people will say- and he was so healthy he even ran marathons.
The obsession with completing endurance events at all costs is going to lead to more health emergencies like that. It's not that the streets are closed, those people likely should not have been running an endurance event in the first place.
People buy into the BS about marathons being life changing. I ran in the race. Today my life is exactly the same except for some sore quads
Has NYRR even issued a statement related to this? I haven't seen anything. If not, that is unacceptable considering a bunch of elite American men could have been killed or seriously injured because of incompetence on their part. I've never seen anything like this even at my local 5Ks run by random volunteers who don't know a thing about running.
Seriously. Is NYRR just going to pretend that this incident that nearly resulted in serious injuries or deaths to runners didn't happen? This is a leadership failure, plain and simple.
I reached out to the NYRR and they have issued a statement: "We are aware of the incident and are in touch with NYPD; they are actively investigating the matter."
I reached out to the NYRR and they have issued a statement: "We are aware of the incident and are in touch with NYPD; they are actively investigating the matter."
The NYPD will tell the NYRR that they should have paid them. The NYRR and CEO will then never speak of this matter again and bury it.
I reached out to the NYRR and they have issued a statement: "We are aware of the incident and are in touch with NYPD; they are actively investigating the matter."
The NYPD will tell the NYRR that they should have paid them. The NYRR and CEO will then never speak of this matter again and bury it.
The city and cops get millions from NYRR for the marathon. I'm assuming they pay for the 5k as well.
Sadly, we have dumbed down society in almost every aspect. It's not just running, but in my area, no one cares about certified courses, most don't even know that courses are supposed to be certified (they all think their GPS is accurate).
I was in a race last week- a few of us approach an intersection- a major road with traffic, we had three choices- right, left, straight. 3 volunteers, traffic stopped. Confused runners. I yelled out- Which way! They all say- straight.
Really? They couldn't be pointing and waving?
How long have you been running? Course distances used to be off ALL THE TIME. Even races like Boston and New York were sometimes off. The thing is you never really knew, most people just took the PR and didn’t question it.
Nowadays you have GPS, Strava, Google Maps, and you can look up the certification and map for any certified course. So when a course is off, people figure it out right away.
I reached out to the NYRR and they have issued a statement: "We are aware of the incident and are in touch with NYPD; they are actively investigating the matter."
how about a story on the operational problems at NYRR, formerly the leader of American road racing?
Another in a series of mess-ups from NYRR. Just the ones I know about: 2022 Bronx 10 mismeasurement, massive transportation chaos at the 2022 NYCM, bib tag screwups at the 2023 Staten Island Half, 5 Ave Mile cancellation, neglecting to close the course at the 2023 Dash to the Finish... NYRR is a shadow of the world-leading institution it was, pre-covid. I bet a journalist or a business school case-study writer could do an interesting research project on the decline of NYRR after firing its top staff and then COVID. Watching a world-class institution decline hurts. Build back a culture of excellence!
I reached out to the NYRR and they have issued a statement: "We are aware of the incident and are in touch with NYPD; they are actively investigating the matter."
how about a story on the operational problems at NYRR, formerly the leader of American road racing?
Another in a series of mess-ups from NYRR. Just the ones I know about: 2022 Bronx 10 mismeasurement, massive transportation chaos at the 2022 NYCM, bib tag screwups at the 2023 Staten Island Half, 5 Ave Mile cancellation, neglecting to close the course at the 2023 Dash to the Finish... NYRR is a shadow of the world-leading institution it was, pre-covid. I bet a journalist or a business school case-study writer could do an interesting research project on the decline of NYRR after firing its top staff and then COVID. Watching a world-class institution decline hurts. Build back a culture of excellence!
Lawyers of Letsrun, who would have been on the hook if this had been slightly different?
Who would have been in the hook
5 runners would have been dead. That’s what we need to focus on.
This is nuts. Was the cross street not closed to traffic. The good thing is the bus (which has a green) looks to have been going slow and able to stop. But this is totally nuts.
Why 'would' they have been dead? Yes, the road wasn't blocked off, maybe no permissions, who knows, but if you had an approved traffic plan managed by a traffic company they would have done so. Anyway, the bus driver saw them and they saw the bus. It was hardly a bus speeding through the intersection
Sadly, we have dumbed down society in almost every aspect. It's not just running, but in my area, no one cares about certified courses, most don't even know that courses are supposed to be certified (they all think their GPS is accurate).
I was in a race last week- a few of us approach an intersection- a major road with traffic, we had three choices- right, left, straight. 3 volunteers, traffic stopped. Confused runners. I yelled out- Which way! They all say- straight.
Really? They couldn't be pointing and waving?
How long have you been running? Course distances used to be off ALL THE TIME. Even races like Boston and New York were sometimes off. The thing is you never really knew, most people just took the PR and didn’t question it.
Nowadays you have GPS, Strava, Google Maps, and you can look up the certification and map for any certified course. So when a course is off, people figure it out right away.
LOL, I've been running for 52 years. I was racing when there was no such thing as a certified course.
But, you missed my point-
1. GPS isn't certified and can be off for various reasons
2. What I'm saying is that many people don't know that a course should be certified and don't care.
I'm not talking about runners like you and me. I'm talking about Hobby Joggers.
Example- we had a Resolution Run 5K on NY Eve here and the course was about 2.8-2.9.
They advertised as a 5K. People who didn't know any better were running a minute or more faster for 5K and couldn't figure out why they were often slower at other 5K's.
In this case it blew up and the race director was forced to use a certified course (in the same park) for the race.
The "racers" were given a course to run, so I guess them thinking that they should stop at "red lights" at a national ranking event, would be unthought of, maybe the organizers should not be to surprised, when they can't get a pro athlete to register for their at best Mickey Mouse event work shop, for someone to comment about these runners breaking a traffic law is ludicrous, possibly they were part of the organizers that hosted the race.
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