I wouldn't be shocked if Hodge was doping either. Similar case to Asinga.
I remember at NBNI, something like 75% of the Montverde team went down to injury. One sign of a program based around doping is extensive and excessive training - one that can easily result in training and burnout for someone not using substances.
I'm not necessarily proud of this, but to be completely honest, this is the first thing to pop into my mind, too. You know why high schoolers don't fail drug tests? Because they don't take drug tests. On one thread long ago, I posted to this effect: "If Brosnan wants me to be impressed, I need to see 2 things. 1, field a girl's team. Even better, one with similar results to the boy's team. 2, let's see one of them pass a drug test. All of them passing one would be even better."
Not trying to single Brosnan and NP out. Just pointing out that PEDs are used without consequence in high school. This is so well-known in the case of football that documentaries exist about it. We just don't read it on the LRC front page because they aren't failing tests. It's easy not to if haven't ever taken one. By the way, has any NP alumnus passed a test yet? Some graduated years ago. I guarantee HS XC isn't a doped as football, basketball, and baseball, but if you're going to convince me these guys getting famous for it are clean, I'm going to have to see some test results.
Exactly. I have no reason to suspect there's a massive doping conspiracy in HS XC, but these performances are very good and I've always been suspicious about massive outliers.
Newbury Park is also in an upper-middle class area - are you seriously telling me that at least one doesn't know (or, even better, is related to) a doctor who can prescribe certain things for recovery and/or training?
There's also the financial aspect: you can get money at colleges and/or get into colleges you'dnot be able to otherwise. Would you be shocked if a good talent who runs (or would run) in the low-mid 15s on a normal 5k xc course turns to pharmaceutical means to get him into the 14 minute range and offers from whatever college he wants? And again, the best runners almost always come from suburban areas - i.e. people would know multiple doctors, and I’m sure there’s at least one doctor who wouldn’t care about ethics in sport. People got fake ADD diagnoses for extra time on standardized tests - what about a fake diagnosis to get PEDs?
He was probably just taking the same "supplements" as his football and baseball buddies. I thought it was a little suspicious when I heard he was competing for Suriname, but figured he was just taking the Mondo path.
I've merged like 4 threads into 1 and changed the title to focus on Asinga. We can have another thread about how a 2nd guy from Kipchoge's training camp has been popped.
Rojo, I quoted a post about hamza driouch, and how he was hanging out around with adel mechaal’s younger brother back in march in California. Adel and driouch were both training with jama Aden when driouch got busted. Why are mods defending somebody with ties to dopers who I have reliable sources reporting he dopes as well? It’s hard to root for a safe sport when mods are constantly deleting posts of mine that are straight up pretty much factual.
I hate how the NCAA doesn’t test and how WADA and USADA can’t even catch the people ruining this sport.
They need to drop the suspension. This kid didn't do anything wrong. Here's why the ban will not stand:
1. this drug doesn't make you faster. It just helps you lose fat. The pressure in high school these days is nuts. Everyone wants to look RIPPED/SHREDDED. He got a little help, so what?
2. It was out of competition testing. So he didn't take this to get an unfair advantage over his competitors. Why are they bothering him outside of competition?
3. Dude is only 18. Why are they wasting these resources on a high school kid. They could have used the $ to build something useful in Souriname.
They need to drop the suspension. This kid didn't do anything wrong. Here's why the ban will not stand:
1. this drug doesn't make you faster. It just helps you lose fat. The pressure in high school these days is nuts. Everyone wants to look RIPPED/SHREDDED. He got a little help, so what?
2. It was out of competition testing. So he didn't take this to get an unfair advantage over his competitors. Why are they bothering him outside of competition?
3. Dude is only 18. Why are they wasting these resources on a high school kid. They could have used the $ to build something useful in Souriname.
hey issam/gerald
go sit in the corner while you think about what you did wrong
It's worth noting that Asinga turned 18 years old just 8 months ago. If this substance in his system is indeed the result of a long-term doping programme, then it is likely to have started while he was still a child.
Unless Asinga was somehow obtaining these substances himself while still a child, this presents enormous questions of multiple senior people in collegiate athletics from a safeguarding perspective. It could quite possibly turn out to be a criminal case and in turn also be a watershed moment for the sport.
One can only hope that Asinga is surrounded by a robust support network as we speak, and as this situation unfolds in the coming weeks and months.
These aren't recreational drugs that teenagers can just get with a modicum of independent effort, these are regulated pharmaceutical compounds which not just anyone can get. Unfortunately, we've seen the gatekeepers of track and field also be responsible for widespread PED use before, sad to see not much has likely changed.
Cant believe kids this young are trying such dangerous drugs these days:
Asinga was provisionally suspended for the use or presence of GW1516, an experimental drug which can modify the body’s metabolism but has been considered too dangerous for human use.
GW1516 was developed to help build endurance and burn fat but was found to cause cancer during tests on rodents. Anti-doping organizations have warned athletes not to use it on safety grounds.
He should have stuck to pharma bovine blood extracts and hiding a 2/3 o2 gas, 1/3 n2 inhaler prior to the start of the race… why role the die with GW-501516?
It's worth noting that Asinga turned 18 years old just 8 months ago. If this substance in his system is indeed the result of a long-term doping programme, then it is likely to have started while he was still a child.
Unless Asinga was somehow obtaining these substances himself while still a child, this presents enormous questions of multiple senior people in collegiate athletics from a safeguarding perspective. It could quite possibly turn out to be a criminal case and in turn also be a watershed moment for the sport.
One can only hope that Asinga is surrounded by a robust support network as we speak, and as this situation unfolds in the coming weeks and months.
These aren't recreational drugs that teenagers can just get with a modicum of independent effort, these are regulated pharmaceutical compounds which not just anyone can get. Unfortunately, we've seen the gatekeepers of track and field also be responsible for widespread PED use before, sad to see not much has likely changed.
Any teenage doping scandal just raises so many questions
Issamade "Issam" Asinga (born 29 December 2004) is a Surinamese track and field sprinter who competes in the 100 and 200 meters. His 100m personal best of 9.89 seconds is the world under-20 record and the Surinamese national...
- I was joking that if owning national records ranging from 46.9/400 to 3:55/1500 makes Tommy Asinga “the Athing Mu of Suriname,” breaking the Surinamese 3k record of 9:14 would make me “the Daniel Komen of Suriname”. Is the very mention of Komen so contemptible to you that the joke went over your head?
- About two years ago, I replied to a thread asking hypothetically “Would you take PEDs if they turned you into a world beater?” by saying very depressively that since I’m a 30 year old kitchen manager with a 13 year old 4:23 mile PR who can no longer run decent mileage without getting injured, I might say “what the hell” and take PEDs if they magically allowed me to go toe to toe with Ingebrigtsen in Diamond League 1500s so as to make my life a lot less boring. Coevett apparently read that and punched the air triumphantly, exclaiming “I got him now!” This is not the first time he’s brought it up on the boards in an attempt to slander me, when the truth is I don’t think anyone gives a damn. If anything, it proves that a white man of British and Scandinavian ancestry is not ethically above doping.
- I wouldn’t say LetsRun “employs” me as a moderator because that implies they pay me, when of course I’ve never earned a cent from it. And I didn’t even delete the post by “prisonmike”—as a matter of fact the only post I’ve deleted from this thread was Coevett’s post that was expressly, needlessly critical of another forum poster.
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what a tragedy.... someone at Montverde knew abut this....shoud be an investigation into this 'athletic factory". that drug is rather dangerous. he did not take it on his own. I hope this entire thing is just a fantasy and not true
Didn't a girl from this same school smash a record in the 200 indoors as well? Starting to see a theme.
I think Assinga being a literal high-schooler until a couple months ago caught doping in the US is pretty unique. That part is the bombshell because he's not even pro yet.
We already had that decades ago with Marion Jones while still in high school. And Gatlin was 19 when he was popped for the first time. But yes, there are still people here who keep claiming that there is no doping in high schools, so this but might help. Surely Assinga didn't just test positive yesterday and during his first use.
This is a joke my high school football team had PED users and nobody made the NFL or even the CFL.
So imagine what a potential world level sprinter, thrower or jumper could be doing in high school.