It’s telling folks are willing to believe and upvote the least likely reason - a hidden doping violation/failed drug test. They would rather believe a high level conspiracy orchestrated by USADA, AIU and WA occurred to protect Athing than the most likely option which is, training didn’t go well and she’s not in the best shape to defend her title and we know she hates to lose. Her SB is 1.58.73.
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broken arrow wrote:
Well What Do You Know wrote:
Simple. If she runs all out in 2023 and 2024, that's 4 tough championships years in a row. Plus then 2025 will make it 5 in a row.
If she takes it easy in 2023, then it's 2 tough championships seasons, then an easy year as a break, then 2 tough championship seasons, then an easy year in 2026.
Are you serious, how about doing physical labor 5 days a week for 30-40 years. Being a T&F athlete is a cake walk....they need a break??????
So? People always use this comparison like it makes sport’s participation mandatory because the average folk gotta work.
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My hot take.
Kersee has her 100% ready to win the world champs and go after the WR. But she's freaking out because she doesn't trust the training. She's used to going up to the 800, and this cycle she's going down to it. Kersee knows the best chance to break that record is to take someone young with world class speed and have them work on their strength. She's out there running more and longer intervals, thinking to herself, why am I running so much and so slow? I want to run fast! So of course she feels slow and like she's not ready to run fast...but it's not true. She just needs to get a few races in before everything clicks and she's flying. I hope she goes and gives it a shot.
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I think she's worried about traveling to an Eastern European country where there are very, very few dark skinned people. She'll most likely get looks given she is tall and has very dark skin.
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Precious Roy wrote:
The 1500 and 800 are very different races. The list of runners who were successful at both is very short. The great 1500 runners of our time (Lagat, Jakob, etc.) have pretty lousy 800 prs and were way better moving up to 5000. Only complete freaks of nature like Snell were really able to be dominant at both.
Mu spent her entire season training for the 1500 under Kersee (a guy who is a sprint coach with minimal experience with middle distance runners). Now, she has to switch up and go back to the 800. Odds are pretty good that she is finding out the hard way that you can't just flip a switch and go back to the 800. So, she is probably freaking out and wondering why she bothered with the 1500 and is now a jack of all trades, master of none. Thus, the spin from Kersee is that Mu wants to model and might train through worlds. The reality is that Kersee messed her up by making her move up to the 1500 and cannot have her get smoked at worlds in the 800 which would just confirm to the world that Kersee screwed up.
I guess, except for the one 800m she ran this year, she ran 1:58+, winning the race and making it look easy.
I'd think that with some 800 specific training between nationals and worlds she could tuneup her speed and bring that down to sub-1:57 at the minimum? Will that be enough to win worlds? I don't know, but she's at least in the hunt.
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jfjdfjj wrote:
My hot take.
Kersee has her 100% ready to win the world champs and go after the WR. But she's freaking out because she doesn't trust the training. She's used to going up to the 800, and this cycle she's going down to it. Kersee knows the best chance to break that record is to take someone young with world class speed and have them work on their strength. She's out there running more and longer intervals, thinking to herself, why am I running so much and so slow? I want to run fast! So of course she feels slow and like she's not ready to run fast...but it's not true. She just needs to get a few races in before everything clicks and she's flying. I hope she goes and gives it a shot.
Has anyone ever won a global 800m title after not doing a single international 800 all season prior? Hard to imagine, its regarded as probably the hardest tactical race to run. It needs practice.
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Page 5 guy wrote:
Has anyone ever won a global 800m title after not doing a single international 800 all season prior? Hard to imagine, its regarded as probably the hardest tactical race to run. It needs practice.
I'm glad you asked. Yes, British 400m sprinter Ann Packer won the 1964 Tokyo 800m (2:01.3 OR) without having run a single international 800 meters race all season prior.
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Probably No wrote:
Just wanted to remind everyone of the fact that Mu did just run at the USATF National championships. With the bye, she could have just ran the first round of the 1500 or 800 and then not competed in the finals, but instead she did compete in the finals and came in 2nd place with a very respectable time.
Her performance shows that she's definitely been training seriously, and was healthy (at least she was a month ago). You would think that with a month of solid training, following up that performance she should be able to show up at Worlds with a very decent chance to win.
None of these stories really add up:
-Running at Worlds in 2023 would have no effect on 2024 performance in a year from now.
-If she's burned out, then why was she in such good shape for nationals?
-If she burned out after nationals or is having a mental health crisis that has hampered her training, why go to the press about it now?
-Why go to the press at all? Its T&F... the press is not going out of its way to cover it for the most part.
-Even if it was somehow had to do with failed drug testing or whereabout failure why say anything now... just don't show up at Budapest or come up with an injury excuse... normally, even the announcers don't know that someone has scratched until they're not standing on the starting line
Yes! Honestly, I think Bobby Kersee is just trying to play with people's minds. I fully expect her to be on the starting line in Budapest.
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We need to think of an appropriate nickname for her now.
Tim Cheruyiot skipped Bislett to plant potatoes and so we christened him Potato Tim.
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Coevett wrote:
We need to think of an appropriate nickname for her now.
Tim Cheruyiot skipped Bislett to plant potatoes and so we christened him Potato Tim.
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SML's interview with the LA Times might give us some insight into her training partner's mind as well. Tough to extrapolate from one person to the next, but the sentiment may be the same, give or take:
“Obviously, people are looking at the 400 record, maybe moving to the shorter, moving to the 200, so on and so forth,” McLaughlin-Levrone said in May. “But honestly, if I’m being completely honest, I just want to run and see how fast I can run every single day. Whether I break records or don’t break records, or win this or win that, like every day, to me, it’s a mental hurdle of I don’t always want to do this, but I’m going to do this and being able to push myself to do things that I didn’t think I was capable of.
“And that sounds like a very generic answer, but it’s the honest truth. I think when you place too many expectations on yourself, you put yourself in a position to be, I don’t know, defined by them if you don’t reach them. And I don’t want to do that.”50 -
you are all insufferable.. wrote:
Rubbish! she did not run 2 minutes flat as a 17 year old.At age 17 she ran 2.04.51,as well as a 52.45 400.A year later in 2019,she ran 2.01.17,plus a 51.98 400.Fast forward to 2021,and she ran 1.55.04,and 49.57.
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Precious Roy wrote:
The 1500 and 800 are very different races. The list of runners who were successful at both is very short. The great 1500 runners of our time (Lagat, Jakob, etc.) have pretty lousy 800 prs and were way better moving up to 5000. Only complete freaks of nature like Snell were really able to be dominant at both.
Mu spent her entire season training for the 1500 under Kersee (a guy who is a sprint coach with minimal experience with middle distance runners). Now, she has to switch up and go back to the 800. Odds are pretty good that she is finding out the hard way that you can't just flip a switch and go back to the 800. So, she is probably freaking out and wondering why she bothered with the 1500 and is now a jack of all trades, master of none. Thus, the spin from Kersee is that Mu wants to model and might train through worlds. The reality is that Kersee messed her up by making her move up to the 1500 and cannot have her get smoked at worlds in the 800 which would just confirm to the world that Kersee screwed up.
Uh -- you missed a few: from the late 1950's through the 1980's for example, you have (NOT an exhaustive list) Herb Elliott, Jim Ryun Dave Wottle, Pekka Vasala, Rick Wohlhuter, Steve Ovett, Steve Cram, Sebastian Coe, Joaquim Cruz, Said Aouita (yes, he ran the 800 too -- Olympic bronze medalist in 1988), and Peter Elliott -- all global medalists at -- at least -- one of the two and among the best in the world at the other. It is true that some more recent champions (e.g., El Guerrouj, Ingebrigtsen) have been more 1500-5000 types, but you still have had Ngeny, Makhloufi, Kiprop, Wightman, and many others who were 1500 globla medalists and still veyr, very competitive globally at 800.
There's less history on the women's side (1500 wasn't added to the Olympics until 1972), but you still have Tatyana Kazankina, Kelly Holmes, and Svetlana Masterkova (all of who won 800-1500 doubles at the Olympics, I think), plus Mary Decker (1:56.9 in 1985, when she also ranked T&FN world #1 at 1500 and 3000), Kim Gallagher Keely Hodgkinson, Jemma Reekie. All but Reekie have been global medalists at at least one of the two.
In addition to the evidence above, and as I pointed out in previous posts, Mu really is unique in our time. She was among the best in the U.S. in HS at distances from 200 through 1500 meters. So I was not surprised to see her do so well in the 1500 at USATF and I don't think whatever 1500 training she has done would have made her uncompetitive in the 800.
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Steve The Addict OFFICIAL -----^^^^^ wrote:
Next theory should indeed be relevant to PEDs. Perhaps she's afraid of testing positive. Perhaps she's already tested positive but info kept confidential and she's in the stage of a plea deal (since she has millions of dollars--Shacarri Richardson was able to reach one: not having the actual substance disclosed, using Marijuana as a front, just missing Olympics as punishment.
When you think about this all: it's real bizarre and should raise red flags. We need to brainstorm all avenues to get to the bottom of this.
I wondered this too.
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Dudewhat? wrote:
I think she's worried about traveling to an Eastern European country where there are very, very few dark skinned people. She'll most likely get looks given she is tall and has very dark skin.
Hungarians are known to be rude as well so it could be a disastrous trip for her from a societal perspective.Yeah cause Tokyo during a global pandemic….
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Probably No wrote:
Just wanted to remind everyone of the fact that Mu did just run at the USATF National championships. With the bye, she could have just ran the first round of the 1500 or 800 and then not competed in the finals, but instead she did compete in the finals and came in 2nd place with a very respectable time.
Her performance shows that she's definitely been training seriously, and was healthy (at least she was a month ago). You would think that with a month of solid training, following up that performance she should be able to show up at Worlds with a very decent chance to win.
None of these stories really add up:
-Running at Worlds in 2023 would have no effect on 2024 performance in a year from now.
-If she's burned out, then why was she in such good shape for nationals?
-If she burned out after nationals or is having a mental health crisis that has hampered her training, why go to the press about it now?
-Why go to the press at all? Its T&F... the press is not going out of its way to cover it for the most part.
-Even if it was somehow had to do with failed drug testing or whereabout failure why say anything now... just don't show up at Budapest or come up with an injury excuse... normally, even the announcers don't know that someone has scratched until they're not standing on the starting line
This post is completely correct and sums it up well.
Nothing about this makes any sense. It doesn't pass the smell test. At all.
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Regardless of what her decisions are now, I figure she retires from running not long after riding the wave of exposure and success of winning the Olympics to focus on a modeling career.
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randomcoach wrote:
Steve The Addict OFFICIAL -----^^^^^ wrote:
Next theory should indeed be relevant to PEDs. Perhaps she's afraid of testing positive. Perhaps she's already tested positive but info kept confidential and she's in the stage of a plea deal (since she has millions of dollars--Shacarri Richardson was able to reach one: not having the actual substance disclosed, using Marijuana as a front, just missing Olympics as punishment.
When you think about this all: it's real bizarre and should raise red flags. We need to brainstorm all avenues to get to the bottom of this.
I wondered this too.
Everyone remember when bol's positive A test got leaked but he knew and correctly expected to have the b sample come out negative? She might be not competing until the b sample comes out. But at the same time after her 1500, I wouldn't be surprised if she was positive on both tests.
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How about "Silly Ole Moo"?
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This is related to drugs.
If it was burnout she would say so. Write a long feel-bad-for-me post about burn out and about how she's just a kid and wants to model and live laugh and love and all that.
If she was injured she would say so.
If there was another reason she would say so.
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