Milo Skapinsky's times are interesting. The 3200 result is way out of line with the others, which is rather strange. One would expect the 3200 to line up with either the 1600 or 5000, instead the 3200 is an outlier compared to the others. Looks like he must have concentrated on running the 3200?
I created a list of all 31 teams who made the NCAA meet last November and the incoming High School/International guys coming into the program/campus this fall. This list DOES NOT include regular transfers or grad transfers. I'm sure I missed some but tried my best to find everyone from each school. I also converted 1500 and 3K times to 1600 and 3200 times so its easier to compare so that's why some of the times are fluctuated, example would be Simeon running 3:51 for 1600, its on there cause 3:37 1500 that he's run converts to around 3:51 1600. For 5Ks, if it doesn't have (track) at the end it means it was run in cross county. Please feel free to add anything I missed or thoughts on these recruiting classes for this next school year. All marks are based on Milesplit Database and World Athletics for International Guys.
Oklahoma State (14) Max Clark - Coweta Oklahoma - 1:53, 17:22 Jacob Deacon - Chorley Ireland - 4:16, 8:58, 14:17 (Track) Adisu Goade - Tel Aviv Israel - 4:05, 8:46, 13:49 (Track) Ayden Granados - McAllen Texas - 1:56, 4:07, 8:57, 14:28 (Track) Hamish Hart - Eurongilly Australia - 4:07, 8:57, 14:56 (Track) Ian Kemey - Columbia Missouri - 1:56, 4:09, 9:05, 14:51 Laban Kipkemboi - Eldoret Kenya - 1:46, 3:51, 8:45 Thomas Kubala - Spring Texas - 1:58, 4:15, 9:04, 15:05 (Track) Jerry Mendez - Spring Texas - 1:54, 4:10, 9:28, 15:32 David Mora - Lubbock Texas - 1:54, 4:10, 9:25, 14:46 Ethan Stovall - Edmond Oklahoma - 2:01, 4:13, 9:17, 15:55 Keegan Thomas - Stillwater Oklahoma - 2:03, 4:08, 8:50, 15:21 Matt Thomas - Blackfoot Idaho - 1:56, 4:15, 9:00, 14:47 Jacob Deacon - England - 8:58, 14:17 (Track)
BYU (9) Spencer Bradshaw - Farmington Utah - 1:57, 4:13, 8:57, 14:33, (Track) Wyatt Haughton - Prairie Village Kansas - 1:51, 4:04, 8:56, 14:46 Ryan Thomas - San Diego California - 1:52, 4:07, 10:17, 15:28 Joe Lighthall - Hughson California - 1:51, 4:30, 11:19, 16:22 Tyler Sainsbury - Meridian Idaho - 1:52, 4:04, 9:41, 14:48 Alex Garcia-Silver - Coos Bay Oregon - 4:14, 8:58, 14:40 Liam Heninger - Orem Utah - 1:54, 4:07, 8:44, 14:39 Jaron Hartshorn - Highland Utah - 1:54, 4:08, 8:49, 15:06 Carter Cutting - Wilsonville Oregon - 1:50, 4:03, 9:16, 15:29
NAU (3) Aaron Salhman - Newbury Park California - 1:48, 3:58, 8:37, 14:14 Zack Munson - Bellingham Washington - 1:54, 4:06, 8:46, 14:27 (Track) Ford Washburn - Iowa City Iowa - 1:57, 4:05, 8:59, 14:41
Stanford (3) Lex Young - Newbury Park California - 3:59, 8:35, 13:34 (Track) Leo Young - Newbury Park California - 1:58, 3:55, 8:39, 14:05 Milo Skapinsky - San Luis Obispo California - 1:58, 4:17, 8:57, 15:09
Wisconsin (3) Liam Newhart - Oak Park Illinois - 1:56, 4:14, 9:07, 15:02 Nick Gilles - Minnekota Minnesota - 2:00, 4:19, 9:05, 15:08 Christian De Vaal - Auckland New Zealand - 1:57, 4:04, 8:45, 14:03 (Track)
NC State (3) Marco Evans - Cary North Carolina - 1:56, 4:12, 8:58, 15:21 Elliott McAuthur - St.Paul Minnesota - 1:55, 4:10, 9:16, 14:56 Krister Sjobald - Raleigh North Carolina - 1:54, 4:18, 9:08, 15:07
Villanova (6) George Andrus - Haddonfield New Jersey - 1:57, 4:10, 9:08, 14:58 Bailey Habler - Sydney Australia - 1:54, 4:04, 8:52 Kai Mitchell-Reiss - Portland Oregon - 1:57, 4:06, 9:03, 15:19 Colin Riley - Springfield New Jersey - 1:55, 4:09, 9:07, 15:44 Nick Sullivan - Lincroft New Jersey - 1:56, 4:14, 9:02, 15:13 Brian Theobald - Belmar New Jersey - 1:56, 4:17, 9:31, 15:41
What I was most surprised to see was how far kids went from home for schools. Wisconsin is a great example, no in-state kids go UW, but tons of Wisconsin HS kids go to their competition. I could see draw of some academics at other schools, but some of it was going to some other state school. When they probably don't get a full scholarship, why go so far to go to another state school of equal caliber running?
What I was most surprised to see was how far kids went from home for schools. Wisconsin is a great example, no in-state kids go UW, but tons of Wisconsin HS kids go to their competition. I could see draw of some academics at other schools, but some of it was going to some other state school. When they probably don't get a full scholarship, why go so far to go to another state school of equal caliber running?
People should remember this thread next time someone posts a thread asking where they can run with a 4:30/9:45 profile. The answer is not at these schools. Seems like the median times among these guys is about 1:57/4:15/9:15/15:15.
People should remember this thread next time someone posts a thread asking where they can run with a 4:30/9:45 profile. The answer is not at these schools. Seems like the median times among these guys is about 1:57/4:15/9:15/15:15.
Agreed.
Those threads are so tiresome.
I should write, "Your local Community College or mid-level or weak Division III University" and then keep it around to cut and paste in every time.
Could that profile fit a lot of Division II schools? Yes. But if someone can't do half their own research, they deserve no better than a half-effort reply.
What I was most surprised to see was how far kids went from home for schools. Wisconsin is a great example, no in-state kids go UW, but tons of Wisconsin HS kids go to their competition. I could see draw of some academics at other schools, but some of it was going to some other state school. When they probably don't get a full scholarship, why go so far to go to another state school of equal caliber running?
Oh, I wondered the same thing decades ago! Specifically for non-athletes though. E.g., I grew up in Illinois, back when tuition at U of I was cheap (like, $7,000/year for tuition and room & board), and it was pretty easy to get accepted there (for example, U of I was my "safe school"), yet so many of my classmates would go out of state to other state schools and pay out-of-state tuition. Why???
It make more sense for athletes though, e.g., if they rc/d a half scholarship to an out-of-state school.
People should remember this thread next time someone posts a thread asking where they can run with a 4:30/9:45 profile. The answer is not at these schools. Seems like the median times among these guys is about 1:57/4:15/9:15/15:15.
Agreed.
Those threads are so tiresome.
I should write, "Your local Community College or mid-level or weak Division III University" and then keep it around to cut and paste in every time.
Could that profile fit a lot of Division II schools? Yes. But if someone can't do half their own research, they deserve no better than a half-effort reply.
It's a bit harder with small school (or state, I suppose) athletes who drop big times for their division and dominate. I have a kid (Jr) who has gone 51/1:56/4:18 and 15:32 for XC. He would like to run D1, but looking at those recruiting classes... eesh.
I should write, "Your local Community College or mid-level or weak Division III University" and then keep it around to cut and paste in every time.
Could that profile fit a lot of Division II schools? Yes. But if someone can't do half their own research, they deserve no better than a half-effort reply.
It's a bit harder with small school (or state, I suppose) athletes who drop big times for their division and dominate. I have a kid (Jr) who has gone 51/1:56/4:18 and 15:32 for XC. He would like to run D1, but looking at those recruiting classes... eesh.
The right thing for your kid to do is look at great mid-major schools. More to pick from and most would love a kid with range like yours.
It's a bit harder with small school (or state, I suppose) athletes who drop big times for their division and dominate. I have a kid (Jr) who has gone 51/1:56/4:18 and 15:32 for XC. He would like to run D1, but looking at those recruiting classes... eesh.
The right thing for your kid to do is look at great mid-major schools. More to pick from and most would love a kid with range like yours.
He's not the best student, but he works incredibly hard. Bs mostly, but math is a struggle. He's on an IEP and gets solid support. Covid was an awful for him academically without those supports in place. But he can definitely run, and his grades have improved over the years.
I'd love to see his running talents take him somewhere he might not get into on his own, but not one so rigorous that he is in over his head.
Any thoughts on Great Lakes region schools (mid-majors) that may fit this description? Michigan, Indiana, Ohio, Illinois, etc.
I've never had a kid this good before, so I acknowledge my own shortcomings when it comes to college programs, recruiting, etc.
It is actually much faster than the times you listed because guys get recruited for their best event, not the9r worst one. A guy with 1:50-4:15-9:30 is recruited for the 800 while a 2:00-4:10-8:50 is recruited for his 3200. It would be clearer if we just looked at each runner's best event and then the median of those. That is what it takes to keep these teams. Looks like 1:52-4:10-9:05.