i'm sure this has been pointed out here lots, but the shame of these situations is the damage they do to the trans-rights movement itself. i'm in full support and completely allied with these people...except when it comes to this issue. and it just sucks because it's so obviously wrong for people who have experienced male puberty to compete in women's sports...and the only thing that's being accomplished is providing easy ammunition for the bigots and incels and nazis on this message board and throughout our society.
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Letterwinner wrote:
i'm sure this has been pointed out here lots, but the shame of these situations is the damage they do to the trans-rights movement itself. i'm in full support and completely allied with these people...except when it comes to this issue. and it just sucks because it's so obviously wrong for people who have experienced male puberty to compete in women's sports...and the only thing that's being accomplished is providing easy ammunition for the bigots and incels and nazis on this message board and throughout our society.
You are right and will argued.
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SDSU Aztec wrote:
RunRagged wrote:
More inaccurate claims. JK Rowling's comments on sex, gender identity and the blatant misogyny, male supremacy and male dominance being promulgated and excused in the name of "trans rights" definitely show she is in favor of female-only sports.
Rowling has also made public comments directly applauding those who are playing leadership roles in pushing back against the incursion of males into women's and girls' sports and locker rooms:
This was the kickoff for the skirmish with Rowling:
“On June 6, 2020, Rowling retweeted an op-ed piece that discussed “people who menstruate,” apparently taking issue with the fact that the story did not use the word women. “‘People who menstruate.’ I’m sure there used to be a word for those people. Someone help me out. Wumben? Wimpund? Woomud?” she wrote.”
After that, there were a few hundred “Some of my closest friends are transgender” type tweets.
Rowling is not an expert on transgender issues and no one asked her for her opinion. She sells a product and has a huge platform so it seems kind of dumb to wade into a controversy. If she couldn’t stand the heat she should she should have stayed out of the kitchen.
The point is that she is not an expert, but she tweeted a fairly innocuous thing and was met with a mob mentality, book burning, etc. The responses were not "some of my closest friends are trans". More like:
-What, exactly, is to be gained by using your platform to be cruel and exclusionary to one of the world’s most vulnerable populations?-Shut the f-ck up terf
-You are such a massive disappointment of a human being.
Daniel Radcliffe aka Harry Potter says "Transgender women are women. Any statement to the contrary erases the identity and dignity of transgender people". This was met with unmitigated praise. There is a clear and obvious difference in reactions to two viewpoints. One is a hero and one is a murderer, and even debating if this is true is tantamount to genocide.
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SDSU Aztec wrote:
RunRagged wrote:
More inaccurate claims. JK Rowling's comments on sex, gender identity and the blatant misogyny, male supremacy and male dominance being promulgated and excused in the name of "trans rights" definitely show she is in favor of female-only sports.
Rowling has also made public comments directly applauding those who are playing leadership roles in pushing back against the incursion of males into women's and girls' sports and locker rooms:
This was the kickoff for the skirmish with Rowling:
“On June 6, 2020, Rowling retweeted an op-ed piece that discussed “people who menstruate,” apparently taking issue with the fact that the story did not use the word women. “‘People who menstruate.’ I’m sure there used to be a word for those people. Someone help me out. Wumben? Wimpund? Woomud?” she wrote.”
After that, there were a few hundred “Some of my closest friends are transgender” type tweets.
Rowling is not an expert on transgender issues and no one asked her for her opinion. She sells a product and has a huge platform so it seems kind of dumb to wade into a controversy. If she couldn’t stand the heat she should she should have stayed out of the kitchen.
You really don't know what you are talking about.
Rowling is an expert on being a female human being, though. One who has had the not insignificant female-specific experiences of being discriminated against and put down because of her female sex; conceiving, gestating, giving birth to, breastfeeding and raising several children; surviving the hell of being sexually assaulted by a man in her youth; surviving being beaten up by her former husband in her first marriage; scraping by as a single mum without a penny to her name; going through menopause; and being deluged with thousands of death and rape threats sent to her by misogynistic, ageist trans activists, who also deride her on social media for being, in their view, a "dried up" "old woman" with crow's feet "saggy txts."
Rowling has thought and read deeply and carefully about sex, the sex stereotypes that constitute gender, women's issues, feminism, child development, the powers of the imagination, politics, philanthtropy, etc going back decades. Her "Strike" novels and familiarity with the works of second-wave feminist writers like Andrea Dworkin and Janice Raymond clearly show that the rights, provisions and protections women fought tooth and nail for over the generations are dear to her heart.
Also, it's not true that "no one asked her for her opinion" like you say. Quite a few women who've been discussing and speaking out for years about the ways the demands of contemporary trans and gender identity activists conflict with - and require a rollback of - women's hard-won rights, provisions and protections on forums like Mumsnet and Lipstick Alley reached out to Rowling years ago and asked her to weigh in.
I know this for a fact because I am one of the scores of women who has emailed Rowling over the years since circa 2015 asking her if she's following what's going on, sending her links to information, and requesting that she consider using her enormous public platform to speak out in defense of women and girls, child safeguarding, and the sex-based rights and definitions of lesbian, gay and bisexual people.
I believe some people of Rowling's generation who identify as trans and others who famously don't conform to sex-stereotyped appearance standards such as the 80s-era "gender bending" British pop singer Marilyn Peter Robinson (who now goes by the handle "Mister Marilyn" on social media) asked Rowling to weigh in on this topic too.
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RunRagged wrote:
SDSU Aztec wrote:
This was the kickoff for the skirmish with Rowling:
“On June 6, 2020, Rowling retweeted an op-ed piece that discussed “people who menstruate,” apparently taking issue with the fact that the story did not use the word women. “‘People who menstruate.’ I’m sure there used to be a word for those people. Someone help me out. Wumben? Wimpund? Woomud?” she wrote.”
After that, there were a few hundred “Some of my closest friends are transgender” type tweets.
Rowling is not an expert on transgender issues and no one asked her for her opinion. She sells a product and has a huge platform so it seems kind of dumb to wade into a controversy. If she couldn’t stand the heat she should she should have stayed out of the kitchen.
You really don't know what you are talking about.
Rowling is an expert on being a female human being, though. One who has had the not insignificant female-specific experiences of being discriminated against and put down because of her female sex; conceiving, gestating, giving birth to, breastfeeding and raising several children; surviving the hell of being sexually assaulted by a man in her youth; surviving being beaten up by her former husband in her first marriage; scraping by as a single mum without a penny to her name; going through menopause; and being deluged with thousands of death and rape threats sent to her by misogynistic, ageist trans activists, who also deride her on social media for being, in their view, a "dried up" "old woman" with crow's feet "saggy txts."
Rowling has thought and read deeply and carefully about sex, the sex stereotypes that constitute gender, women's issues, feminism, child development, the powers of the imagination, politics, philanthtropy, etc going back decades. Her "Strike" novels and familiarity with the works of second-wave feminist writers like Andrea Dworkin and Janice Raymond clearly show that the rights, provisions and protections women fought tooth and nail for over the generations are dear to her heart.
Also, it's not true that "no one asked her for her opinion" like you say. Quite a few women who've been discussing and speaking out for years about the ways the demands of contemporary trans and gender identity activists conflict with - and require a rollback of - women's hard-won rights, provisions and protections on forums like Mumsnet and Lipstick Alley reached out to Rowling years ago and asked her to weigh in.
I know this for a fact because I am one of the scores of women who has emailed Rowling over the years since circa 2015 asking her if she's following what's going on, sending her links to information, and requesting that she consider using her enormous public platform to speak out in defense of women and girls, child safeguarding, and the sex-based rights and definitions of lesbian, gay and bisexual people.
I believe some people of Rowling's generation who identify as trans and others who famously don't conform to sex-stereotyped appearance standards such as the 80s-era "gender bending" British pop singer Marilyn Peter Robinson (who now goes by the handle "Mister Marilyn" on social media) asked Rowling to weigh in on this topic too.
In any case, Rowling is neither a coach or an athlete. My response was to some posters’ belief that public opposition to transgender athletes competing against women will end careers. For example, there isn’t a single comment or link on Vickie Hubert’s Wikipedia page about her essay on transgender athletes.
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Armstrongsilly wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
It appears your pacifier has fallen out of your mouth.
More deep intellectual contributions for the boards king troll.
I'll be waiting a long time for your deep intellectual contributions. Forever.
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SDSU Aztec wrote:
RunRagged wrote:
More inaccurate claims. JK Rowling's comments on sex, gender identity and the blatant misogyny, male supremacy and male dominance being promulgated and excused in the name of "trans rights" definitely show she is in favor of female-only sports.
Rowling has also made public comments directly applauding those who are playing leadership roles in pushing back against the incursion of males into women's and girls' sports and locker rooms:
This was the kickoff for the skirmish with Rowling:
“On June 6, 2020, Rowling retweeted an op-ed piece that discussed “people who menstruate,” apparently taking issue with the fact that the story did not use the word women. “‘People who menstruate.’ I’m sure there used to be a word for those people. Someone help me out. Wumben? Wimpund? Woomud?” she wrote.”
After that, there were a few hundred “Some of my closest friends are transgender” type tweets.
Rowling is not an expert on transgender issues and no one asked her for her opinion. She sells a product and has a huge platform so it seems kind of dumb to wade into a controversy. If she couldn’t stand the heat she should she should have stayed out of the kitchen.
I'd say Rowling is doing a pretty good job of handling the "heat." But to be clear, she's said she could paper her walls with the death threats she's received . . . for suggesting that people who menstruate should be called women. Even if you disagree with her, or think she should keep her mouth shut, please acknowledge the insanity of that many death threats.
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asdgasd wrote:
SDSU Aztec wrote:
This was the kickoff for the skirmish with Rowling:
“On June 6, 2020, Rowling retweeted an op-ed piece that discussed “people who menstruate,” apparently taking issue with the fact that the story did not use the word women. “‘People who menstruate.’ I’m sure there used to be a word for those people. Someone help me out. Wumben? Wimpund? Woomud?” she wrote.”
After that, there were a few hundred “Some of my closest friends are transgender” type tweets.
Rowling is not an expert on transgender issues and no one asked her for her opinion. She sells a product and has a huge platform so it seems kind of dumb to wade into a controversy. If she couldn’t stand the heat she should she should have stayed out of the kitchen.
I'd say Rowling is doing a pretty good job of handling the "heat." But to be clear, she's said she could paper her walls with the death threats she's received . . . for suggesting that people who menstruate should be called women. Even if you disagree with her, or think she should keep her mouth shut, please acknowledge the insanity of that many death threats.
Not playing devil's advocate, because I don't think that phrase even justifies what claims the other side is saying.
"She's literally murdering trans people" because a lack of acceptance in society is a known driver of higher suicide rates, trans people already have high suicide rates and lower societal acceptance.
"She's a bigot" def:
a person who is obstinately or unreasonably attached to a belief, opinion, or faction, especially one who is prejudiced against or antagonistic toward a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group. -Kettle, meet pot."Transphobe" -If they mean literally that she is scared of trans women (biological men) gaining access to women's spaces solely through declaration of gender, then I guess they got here there.
Call me crazy, but people who stand out from the crowd are singled out, positively or negatively. Handsome actors, sports stars, groundbreaking intellectuals are lauded. Those who stand out negatively are marginalized and ridiculed. I'm not saying either of these actions are right. I'm saying you need to win over society to see you in a positive light. Trans activists are absolutely not doing this, only trying to legislate and cancel everyone into acceptance. There is no Martin Luther King Jr of the trans activists.
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mathematics wrote:
I'm saying you need to win over society to see you in a positive light. Trans activists are absolutely not doing this, only trying to legislate and cancel everyone into acceptance. There is no Martin Luther King Jr of the trans activists.
MLK was a polarizing figure before his death.
In 1963, King had a 41% positive and a 37% negative rating; in 1964, it was 43% positive and 39% negative; in 1965, his rating was 45% positive and 45% negative; and in 1966 -- the last Gallup measure of King using this scalometer procedure -- it was 32% positive and 63% negative.
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Letterwinner wrote:
i'm sure this has been pointed out here lots, but the shame of these situations is the damage they do to the trans-rights movement itself. i'm in full support and completely allied with these people...except when it comes to this issue. and it just sucks because it's so obviously wrong for people who have experienced male puberty to compete in women's sports...and the only thing that's being accomplished is providing easy ammunition for the bigots and incels and nazis on this message board and throughout our society.
So are you also all in on letting immature, impressionable young kids permanently mutilate their bodies?
If so, you and the rest of your Demonrat buddies are sick, twisted, disgusting child abusers.
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Look no further why America is a shell of herself. LGBT-whatever is like issue # 236 in importance in this country affecting way less than one half of 1 % of the nations population. Liberals are very smart, they say. They should be able to rattle off dozens and dozens of economic, safety and health, world conflict, environmental issues, etc, all which affect millions more Americans that someone who simply can’t make up their mind. FOCUS on REAL problems people.
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Dementia Joe is corrupt wrote:
So are you also all in on letting immature, impressionable young kids permanently mutilate their bodies?
If so, you and the rest of your Demonrat buddies are sick, twisted, disgusting child abusers.
This is one of those posts that makes it very difficult to tell whether this is a parody of lunatic beliefs or genuine lunatic beliefs. This is even more warped than people who shout "Transphobe" at anyone who fails to say word for word the one allowed stance on the subject.
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Armstronglivs wrote:
Armstrongsilly wrote:
More deep intellectual contributions for the boards king troll.
I'll be waiting a long time for your deep intellectual contributions. Forever.
But I have no pretence to provide any.
You on the other hand continually troll on the most pathetic intellectual basis.
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noglacierforyou wrote:
lets right winger wrote:
I agree with the premise of this thread, but this is just lunacy lol
lunacy? democrats have instituted racist laws in education. leftists are in diversity councils openly hiring people other than white males. again open racism and sexism. those are objective facts. you are the lunatic
Yes, well said! White males are the victims here, always have been. A white male has zero chance now of being elected to political office or CEO of a major corporation. You hardly ever see a white male President any more. We need to pass more laws that celebrate the heroism of white males, and everyone else should be crawl back into their closets. Also, chemtrails, fake moon landing, and who stole my tinfoil hat!!!
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mathematics wrote:
asdgasd wrote:
I'd say Rowling is doing a pretty good job of handling the "heat." But to be clear, she's said she could paper her walls with the death threats she's received . . . for suggesting that people who menstruate should be called women. Even if you disagree with her, or think she should keep her mouth shut, please acknowledge the insanity of that many death threats.
Not playing devil's advocate, because I don't think that phrase even justifies what claims the other side is saying.
"She's literally murdering trans people" because a lack of acceptance in society is a known driver of higher suicide rates, trans people already have high suicide rates and lower societal acceptance.
"She's a bigot" def:
a person who is obstinately or unreasonably attached to a belief, opinion, or faction, especially one who is prejudiced against or antagonistic toward a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group. -Kettle, meet pot."Transphobe" -If they mean literally that she is scared of trans women (biological men) gaining access to women's spaces solely through declaration of gender, then I guess they got here there.
Call me crazy, but people who stand out from the crowd are singled out, positively or negatively. Handsome actors, sports stars, groundbreaking intellectuals are lauded. Those who stand out negatively are marginalized and ridiculed. I'm not saying either of these actions are right. I'm saying you need to win over society to see you in a positive light. Trans activists are absolutely not doing this, only trying to legislate and cancel everyone into acceptance. There is no Martin Luther King Jr of the trans activists.
We’ve gone off on a bit of a tangent. The thread is about: “Male Powerlifter DESTROYS Women's Records in Canada.” The OP appears to believe the guy is a hero while I think he is a sleaze bag that couldn’t care less about women’s sports and just wanted some attention instead.
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Armstrongsilly wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
I'll be waiting a long time for your deep intellectual contributions. Forever.
But I have no pretence to provide any.
You on the other hand continually troll on the most pathetic intellectual basis.
The only thing that gets your attention here is my posts. It seems the "most pathetic intellectual basis" suits you.
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SDSU Aztec wrote:
mathematics wrote:
Not playing devil's advocate, because I don't think that phrase even justifies what claims the other side is saying.
"She's literally murdering trans people" because a lack of acceptance in society is a known driver of higher suicide rates, trans people already have high suicide rates and lower societal acceptance.
"She's a bigot" def:
a person who is obstinately or unreasonably attached to a belief, opinion, or faction, especially one who is prejudiced against or antagonistic toward a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group. -Kettle, meet pot."Transphobe" -If they mean literally that she is scared of trans women (biological men) gaining access to women's spaces solely through declaration of gender, then I guess they got here there.
Call me crazy, but people who stand out from the crowd are singled out, positively or negatively. Handsome actors, sports stars, groundbreaking intellectuals are lauded. Those who stand out negatively are marginalized and ridiculed. I'm not saying either of these actions are right. I'm saying you need to win over society to see you in a positive light. Trans activists are absolutely not doing this, only trying to legislate and cancel everyone into acceptance. There is no Martin Luther King Jr of the trans activists.
We’ve gone off on a bit of a tangent. The thread is about: “Male Powerlifter DESTROYS Women's Records in Canada.” The OP appears to believe the guy is a hero while I think he is a sleaze bag that couldn’t care less about women’s sports and just wanted some attention instead.
But trans athletes competing in women's sports "care about women's sports" and aren't doing it "for the attention" they get from winning?
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Armstronglivs wrote:
Armstrongsilly wrote:
But I have no pretence to provide any.
You on the other hand continually troll on the most pathetic intellectual basis.
The only thing that gets your attention here is my posts. It seems the "most pathetic intellectual basis" suits you.
The only thing that irritates me is your persistent anti intellectual trolling.
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Armstronglivs wrote:
SDSU Aztec wrote:
We’ve gone off on a bit of a tangent. The thread is about: “Male Powerlifter DESTROYS Women's Records in Canada.” The OP appears to believe the guy is a hero while I think he is a sleaze bag that couldn’t care less about women’s sports and just wanted some attention instead.
But trans athletes competing in women's sports "care about women's sports" and aren't doing it "for the attention" they get from winning?
But the OP is opposed to transgender athletes and admires the liar.
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Armstrongsilly wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
The only thing that gets your attention here is my posts. It seems the "most pathetic intellectual basis" suits you.
The only thing that irritates me is your persistent anti intellectual trolling.
Then I have succeeded if you are irritated. It is the only thing that gets your attention. You have said nothing about the subject of the thread. Above your pay grade.
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