I'll bite on rojo's troll but just in reference to one falsehood he likes to trumpet: "Offering male, female and non-binary as categories of competition conflates sex (immutable and consisting of two, male and female) with gender identity (fluid and difficult to define)." Concerns about whether women are really women are not new and included both the first and second place finisher in the women's 100m dash in the 1936 Olympics. My question for Rojo is: are you sure that even your hero Paula Radcliffe is a woman? How do you know? After all her 2003 marathon world record was well under the 10% slower scienceish standard that you cite. Because rojo won't consider that Radcliffe was doping, would he at least agree that she was a genetic freak with blood tests far beyond a typical woman.
Races are based on sex not gender. These “non binary” men and women and gender ideology activists need to grow up and accept the fact and reality. You’re a male or a female and we have categories for that. You’re not special for putting a label on yourself. Thank you for reading common sense.
BTW, thanks for calling me "an oozing old pustule on a not very bright slug trapped inside a leaky oil pipe, so more like an oozing ooze inside of an oozer" in your earlier post. Silly juvenile slurs like that just go to show that guys like you can't put forward any coherent, convincing arguments for your positions. Instead you just come out with playground taunts such as "your mom wears army boots," "Nazi!" and "nyah, nyah, nyah."
You are welcome, though I only called you an oozing ooze inside of an oozer, not a Nazi. Are you saying you are also a Nazi and a hobo? In a previous post, you admitted to getting all wet in your choochoo seeing weird men you wouldn’t touch with a barge pole, so with that and extreme transphobia, nazism and army boots would nicely round out your personality.
Impressive all-in-one fair, brown, and black white nighting.
What on earth do you mean by "white nighting"? The phenomena known as airglow or bright nights? Or the midnight sun that occurs in the Arctic and Antarctic circles?
Yes, you don’t seem to know much about it, so I’m surprised you haven’t written six long paragraphs on the northern aurora borealis and poly cystic ovary syndrome while finding a way to castigate and mock the likes of Caster Semenya, and blather self-contradicting blah on XY DSDs to acknowledge that sex isn’t entirely binary even while arguing for the binary; and occasionally sprinkle in babbletalk about terms and cultures like hijrahs that you have no idea about, which is literally as stupid as equating trans with gay like uninformed old conservative folk who just don’t know much do.
Agree: there should be absolutely no gender identity in sports, especially distance running. There should instead be just a single open competition category that does not account for any gender. In this way everyone: men, women, non binary, trans etc etc, can compete on an equal footing and this would be the fairest situation - the first person across the line is the race winner regardless of their gender identity.
I see no arguments against this - just downvotes. Beyond weak.
If people can't compete in a given activity, they should either accept the truth that they simply aren't as good (and not expect to be rewarded for it), and they should endeavor to do something they are good at. It's that simple. A person who argues otherwise but claims to be for equality is a rank hypocrite. And, dumb besides.
The headline says all that needs to be said. There is no reason to engage with the activists in their nonsense. Men should never be allowed to compete against women.
Races are based on sex not gender. These “non binary” men and women and gender ideology activists need to grow up and accept the fact and reality. You’re a male or a female and we have categories for that. You’re not special for putting a label on yourself. Thank you for reading common sense.
Surprised no one has mention intersex athletes competing in the non-binary category. Might be clueless but wouldn’t they technically be non-binary?
They would be the closest thing to non binary. But the majority of intersex individuals could still be labeled as either male or female, depending on the biological issue they have.
Races are based on sex not gender. These “non binary” men and women and gender ideology activists need to grow up and accept the fact and reality. You’re a male or a female and we have categories for that. You’re not special for putting a label on yourself. Thank you for reading common sense.
"Since I was raised in a society that linguistically classifies people into one of two genders I believe there are only two genders. When my beliefs are challenged I'll lash out at others because I'm immature."
You did pretty much what you said towards me. Lashing out because you’re immature. Incase you didn’t know, sex is female and male. Gender was made around sex hence why the common gender terms are made towards female and male. Sorry you want to make a pointless comment, trying to discredit what I’m saying, instead of making a fact. But facts and reality isn’t on your side… so good luck with that.
You did pretty much what you said towards me. Lashing out because you’re immature. Incase you didn’t know, sex is female and male. Gender was made around sex hence why the common gender terms are made towards female and male. Sorry you want to make a pointless comment, trying to discredit what I’m saying, instead of making a fact. But facts and reality isn’t on your side… so good luck with that.
"I'm accustomed to male and female being the only gender terms, so therefore male and female are the only acceptable gender terms."
You guys published an inflammatory opinion piece without bothering to get prospective from NYRR, any non-binary runners, or even corporations that are backing the movement (see, e.g., Michelob ULTRA, among others).
This is about prize money, not about the category existing. The original story and many of the posters seem to be saying that non-binary is a bad category that shouldn't exist.
When a person signs up for a race, they can check the box for male or female. If a person doesn't want to be labeled into those categories, there should be a "no classification" or "non-binary" category. They have a right to exist, a right to run a race, and a right to not be labeled into a category. Those are basic human rights.
But do they have a right to prize money? When women point out they should get equal pay for sports, the main arguments are that they are 50 percent of the population, do the same work, and are a clearly defined category. As the story points out, non-binary is not clearly defined and is a small percent of the population. So what reason is there for prize money? I say none, other than the race organizers want to promote that category.
Race forms don't have religion categories, but they do have age categories. We don't give prize money to age categories, although there is nothing wrong with doing that if the race organizers choose to.
So this is really about who we choose to recognize and celebrate in a race event. Organizers could include an Asian category, LGBTQ category or Baptist category if they think there is a reason for it. It is a sign of the times that they are choosing non-binary to celebrate, mostly because it is a real category that has not been recognized in the past. So yes, there is wokeness and virtue-signalling involved, but at least they are siding with freedom of expression. Many of the posters here are procrustean, on the side of forcing people into categories.
procrustean: marked by arbitrary often ruthless disregard of individual differences or special circumstances Procrustes: a villainous son of Poseidon in Greek mythology who forces travelers to fit into his bed by stretching their bodies or cutting off their legs
You'd think a third category would satisfy those with the "men killing womens sports" argument. its irrelevant who got the prize money in the non-binary division because they all agreed to the terms by entering that division.
Having a non binary division doesn't solve the issue of men in women's sports. Two separate issues.
Transwomen can still enter the women's division as they identify as women, not necessarily non binary.
We have 3 categories where XY can win now: Men's, Women's, Non Binary.
One where XX can (possibly): Women's.
Anyone who uses "XY" and "XX" in this context is either ignorant or vicious.
edit: I said "male-bodied" and "female-bodied" because I was trying to come up with terminology that would describe people whose development followed a binar...