Personally I have no idea, but think it's not an unreasonable question to ask - if for no other reason than it's (sadly) the world we live in. That said, what is unreasonable is for the peanut gallery here to simultaneously proclaim:
***ultra/trail runners are little more than overrated hobby-joggers that anyone could beat - so Kilian routinely beating them only proves he's a marginally better hobby jogger.
***Kilian has to be juiced to routinely beat all the badass competition he faces.
I mean pick a damn side already or shut your piehole!
it was two everest summits he claimed that are in dispute, not one.
He cheats on courses.
he is spanish and lives in norway.
there is terrible testing in ultras.
he started ski mountaineering in 2000 and was in the spanish national team.
how many red flags do you want?
I don't get why I'm being called out or why this thread is called a cesspool. Asking if a runner is a doper isn't bad. It's a question that any student of the sport would always be asking if something made them suspicious. As a result, it blows my mind that the post above has more than 2 to 1 negatives in terms of votes. It's a very factual post. It should have more upvotes than downvotes. Now it doesn't mean he's a doper - far from it.
It just shows that most people don't want information - they want affirmation. Most reading at thread on Kilian are fans and don't want the truth. They want fanboys.
Why are you participating in a thread about a single runner? That is not allowed per Wejo and you should be banned.
Ps: the post has downvotes as its kind of a racism thing to say that he is a doper because of his nationality, I know you dont care that much about racism but others do.
it was two everest summits he claimed that are in dispute, not one.
He cheats on courses.
he is spanish and lives in norway.
there is terrible testing in ultras.
he started ski mountaineering in 2000 and was in the spanish national team.
how many red flags do you want?
I don't get why I'm being called out or why this thread is called a cesspool. Asking if a runner is a doper isn't bad. It's a question that any student of the sport would always be asking if something made them suspicious. As a result, it blows my mind that the post above has more than 2 to 1 negatives in terms of votes. It's a very factual post. It should have more upvotes than downvotes. Now it doesn't mean he's a doper - far from it.
It just shows that most people don't want information - they want affirmation. Most reading at thread on Kilian are fans and don't want the truth. They want fanboys.
You nailed it Rojo. However certain runners appear to be off limits. Jakob Ingebrigtsen is one of them. I sense you guys have become fanboys, as you say.
I wouldn't put him beyond reproach, but what he's doing isn't "extraordinary" in a way that makes me think he has to be doping. The guy he beat this weekend finished 5 min. back and is hardly a legend of the sport. He loses races, keeps a reasonable racing season, and he's been consistent his whole career. He didn't drop a 28:00 10k with no road background (would've been a red flag IMO).
So absent connections to known dopers or any evidence whatsoever, it just reads as sour grapes that the American didn't win.
Killian isn't an LRC fave, so the default is "it's fine to accuse him of doping bcause what do we really know?"
If it's an American of a particular 'category', the default is 'they're clean and testing is faulty."
This never changes.
Can you imagine a "doping investigation thread" hours after Walmsley wins Western States? That'd be sacrilegious.
Its sad that runners that is caught with a positive sample and convicted is defended as clean(!!!) at all cost, while others are accused of doping without any evidence. The differemce between them? One is spanish and one is american.
Its sad that runners that is caught with a positive sample and convicted is defended as clean(!!!) at all cost, while others are accused of doping without any evidence. The differemce between them? One is spanish and one is american.
it was two everest summits he claimed that are in dispute, not one.
He cheats on courses.
he is spanish and lives in norway.
there is terrible testing in ultras.
he started ski mountaineering in 2000 and was in the spanish national team.
how many red flags do you want?
I don't get why I'm being called out or why this thread is called a cesspool. Asking if a runner is a doper isn't bad. It's a question that any student of the sport would always be asking if something made them suspicious. As a result, it blows my mind that the post above has more than 2 to 1 negatives in terms of votes. It's a very factual post. It should have more upvotes than downvotes. Now it doesn't mean he's a doper - far from it.
It just shows that most people don't want information - they want affirmation. Most reading at thread on Kilian are fans and don't want the truth. They want fanboys.
Let’s go through these “factual” points.
1. Fair point and agree and bring this up not about him being a doper but more so to point out he’s not the chill don’t care if I win or lose guy he is portrayed as
2. 50/50 point at best and there is no proof he’s done this more than what? Once at the Speedgoat?
I don't get why I'm being called out or why this thread is called a cesspool. Asking if a runner is a doper isn't bad. It's a question that any student of the sport would always be asking if something made them suspicious. As a result, it blows my mind that the post above has more than 2 to 1 negatives in terms of votes. It's a very factual post. It should have more upvotes than downvotes. Now it doesn't mean he's a doper - far from it.
It just shows that most people don't want information - they want affirmation. Most reading at thread on Kilian are fans and don't want the truth. They want fanboys.
Let’s go through these “factual” points.
1. Fair point and agree and bring this up not about him being a doper but more so to point out he’s not the chill don’t care if I win or lose guy he is portrayed as
2. 50/50 point at best and there is no proof he’s done this more than what? Once at the Speedgoat?
1. During the packet pickup, there were information signs about cutting switchbacks. Those signs showed the "No cutting" signs that were on the course to protect certain areas, but said that cutting switchbacks was allowed in any other location. Early on there was plenty of creative course corrections a people tried to avoid the backups.
2. There was doping controls post race. I talked with one of the top 5 CCC racers who got popped 3 times while in Chamonix. I am not sure what the criteria they actually used to determine testing though.