ngl, opening this thread I was disappointed by the ridiculous suggestion from OP, and worried that some posters may agree. Glad to see this wasn't the case.
Comparing Jakob to (imo) the single greatest distance runner of all time? Ridiculous. How many WR's has Jakob broken?
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ngl, opening this thread I was disappointed by the ridiculous suggestion from OP, and worried that some posters may agree. Glad to see this wasn't the case.
Comparing Jakob to (imo) the single greatest distance runner of all time? Ridiculous. How many WR's has Jakob broken?
Agreed, this is an discussion that is 6-8 years to early to have.
Disagree. Jakob has shown utter destruction of all time fields. His accomplishments are already way above Bekele. You can't compare Jakob to a lowly 3:32 runner.
Prime El Guerrouj was best I've ever seen over 1500m and if he focused on the 5000m, I think we would have seen the same results (domination). Prime Mo Farah best I've seen in 5000/10000m. Jakob needs to show more.
He does what he did to Kipchoge in 2008, with a 3:57 last mile and 53 last 400. Jakob could hang on longer than almost anyone, but in the end there is nobody capable of beating that version of Bekele.
If the pace up to the last mile is >13:00, which it was in this race. Then Jakob can close the last mile in 3:55.
Jakob wins.
Only way for Bekele to beat Jakob would be to have someone sacrifice himself and run 12:39 pace, then Bekele picks it up and close fast enough to to run a 12:37.
this is also blasphemous. They could run 5 min pace for 8 laps and Bekele would still win. Bekele routinely ran 52-53 for last laps. Jakob would get out kicked in every scenario.
If the pace up to the last mile is >13:00, which it was in this race. Then Jakob can close the last mile in 3:55.
Jakob wins.
Only way for Bekele to beat Jakob would be to have someone sacrifice himself and run 12:39 pace, then Bekele picks it up and close fast enough to to run a 12:37.
I'll repeat it.
No human who walked this earth can beat Jakob in a 5000 by running >13:00 pace up to the last mile.
He can be beaten by someone who can run sub 12:40 while also not being in the lead until last quarter (someone needs to rabbit).
Jakob would not have even medaled in 2015 or 2017 if he were in those races.
Jakob would win emphatically, no doubt. The only question is how many water stops he would veer off to along the way. He may even be nice enough to bring a cup to Bekele so that its more of a competition.
Yahcub is the ideal 5k racer. Fit enough so that no one can drop him while he's drafting off them, and fast enough to kick over the last km off a controlled pace.
Either way he has a winning formula:
Unless youre running damn near the WR from the front, you arent dropping him.
And if you control it in 13:20 he winds up the last 1k without parallel.
If you jog slower than 13:40 he takes the lead without much pain and makes it 13:20
Jacob is more lagat than Bekele and I’m being generous. It’s like saying Steph Curry vs. Micheal Jordan. Prime Lagat taking Jacob to the cleaners in anything 1500-5000.
Jakob is dominating because he is running against weak competition. I mean, come on, Luis Grijalva almost medaled (not a knock against him at all). Yes, I know that Cheptegei, Kejelcha and Barega are great when they have a fast pace and pacing lights. None of them are good tactical racers - Cheptegei's 1500 PR is only 3:37.
In a relatively slower race that came down to the last 400 today's 5K guys, with the exception of Jakob, would have been crushed by the likes of El G, Lagat, and prime Farah.
Jakob is dominating because he is running against weak competition. I mean, come on, Luis Grijalva almost medaled (not a knock against him at all). Yes, I know that Cheptegei, Kejelcha and Barega are great when they have a fast pace and pacing lights. None of them are good tactical racers - Cheptegei's 1500 PR is only 3:37.
In a relatively slower race that came down to the last 400 today's 5K guys, with the exception of Jakob, would have been crushed by the likes of El G, Lagat, and prime Farah.
Following up, I would say Jakob beats Bekele 7 times out of 10 in a 5K. Bekele would need to make it a fast race, which he was willing to do. No one would have beaten him in Beijing in 2008, but he lost to El G twice, and Lagat in Paris and was almost outkicked by a past-his-prime Lagat in Berlin.
Disagree. Jakob has shown utter destruction of all time fields. His accomplishments are already way above Bekele. You can't compare Jakob to a lowly 3:32 runner.
LOL you can’t compare a guy who only ran 12:48 with super shoes and help the entire race to a legend who mostly soloed a 12:37
Disagree. Jakob has shown utter destruction of all time fields. His accomplishments are already way above Bekele. You can't compare Jakob to a lowly 3:32 runner.
LOL you can’t compare a guy who only ran 12:48 with super shoes and help the entire race to a legend who mostly soloed a 12:37
I agree. Jakob needs to break 12:40 before we have this conversation. However, I do think Jakob will in the next two years do just that.
Prime El Guerrouj was best I've ever seen over 1500m and if he focused on the 5000m, I think we would have seen the same results (domination). Prime Mo Farah best I've seen in 5000/10000m. Jakob needs to show more.
Dude, Bekele's closes were within a few tenths of a second of Farah's in 5ks that were over a full minute faster. Farah was a dominant championship racer for his era and deserves to be mentioned as an all-timer, but prime Bekele would dust prime Farah 10/10 times in a head-to-head 5k or 10k race, no question in my mind.
You are disrespecting Bekele by comparing him to current Jakob. Jakob still has a lot to prove and to put better times in 5k to be compared to all time greats like Bekele
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