Sean Brosnan has received a fair share of criticism, and it's up to the individual to decide if some or all of the criticism is warranted. But what I'm seeing in this thread and in other threads is the sort of pack attacks often found on social media, such as Twitter. This sort of "criticism" does not seek to engage or illuminate but rather demonize and discredit, with perhaps the intention of making Brosnan a pariah. I doubt that that will happen, but the people who do this are probably the same ones who level charges of PEDs at athletes any time they feel like it, and often without any justification. People like this do not deserve any reply.
100%.
The worst is brought out with jealousy and it's just sad human nature to find reasons why you or someone can not be successful at running, coaching, work or life in general.
Brosnan has changed the game in High School distance running and we can all see that. No matter what he or other great coaches do the same people will cry or say foul. It's just what people do when they are envious of others and their success.
In the world today social media (Instagram , twitter, these message boards, etc) can cause depression and the loosing touch with reality.
If you are taking the time to discredit someone or say hatful comments on any of these platforms it says a lot about your own happiness or should I say unhappiness.
Keep the love. Go Rainbows!
The way he’s received is not due to jealousy. Writing it off as jealousy is deflection. If lots of people think you’re a d-bag, maybe reflect on why instead of writing them off as haters.
As someone who works at a Pac-12 school, our distance coach has sadly never made close to that number. The pay is certainly more than a high school coach stipend, but nearly anything is.
But he is looking to go straight to a real job which won't happen.
This. There's a lot more to running a top-level college program than overseeing workouts. ND or UCLA are not going to hire a head coach straight out of high school so they can learn on the job about NCAA rules, recruiting, admin, setting up a staff, department politics, etc. At best you have a few years of issues and struggles behind the scenes and then it works out. At worst you have someone not capable of doing all the non-coaching things that need to be done and you end up with a program in shambles or with serious violations.
Not sure I buy this. Jerry Schumacher had very little experience besides running the distance at Wisconsin but is a head coach. It’s about the person and I believe both JS and SB can handle the needs of a college program.
This. There's a lot more to running a top-level college program than overseeing workouts. ND or UCLA are not going to hire a head coach straight out of high school so they can learn on the job about NCAA rules, recruiting, admin, setting up a staff, department politics, etc. At best you have a few years of issues and struggles behind the scenes and then it works out. At worst you have someone not capable of doing all the non-coaching things that need to be done and you end up with a program in shambles or with serious violations.
Not sure I buy this. Jerry Schumacher had very little experience besides running the distance at Wisconsin but is a head coach. It’s about the person and I believe both JS and SB can handle the needs of a college program.
Jerry was an all-American as a runner at WI, was an assistant at North Carolina for several years, then was the head coach for a decade at WI where he won an NCAA championship. He’s coached professionally at the absolute highest level since then. I’m not sure you can find more than a handful of coaches with more experience.
I am aware of no Pac-12 distance coach earning less than $100k.
I am. Devin Elizondo was not making close to $100k. About $40k away from it. Bobby Lockhart at Cal is no where close either. Bernard Lagat at Arizona & Ricardo Santos (who coaches Stanford’s men) are mot making $100k. Ryan Godfrey at Arizona State may be…but I doubt it (since he is new that’s not yet publicly available).
So that leaves Jerry at Oregon, the Powell’s at Washington, Wayne Phipps at Washington State, Mark Wetmore at Colorado, Kyle Kepler at Utah, JJ at Stanford, Louie at Oregon State & Jebreh Harris at USC that all make over $100k. And that’s because all of those - except Jebreh - are directors (or married to one) of the entire men’s and women’s track and XC programs…which is a step higher than “head coach” and comes with far more headaches. USC’s distance coach is the outlier because USC actually has money…why they’re leaving the Pac12. So basically, you’re not making over $100k as the head distance/XC coach in the PAC-whatever unless you’re the director of the entire program. And those are mostly in cities with much higher costs of living than the schools that actually pay up. What else are you not aware of?
You are either wrong or these coaches are complete idiots because many distance coaches in the B10 and B12 are making $200k and pretty much are all earning more than $100k living in lower cost areas than Pac-12 coaches. I guess the Pac-12 is falling apart as we speak.
Ross just signed for $450k per year. The average P5 head coach earns over $200k per year and the average P5 distance coach earns more than $100k per year. Most are private schools so you are free to check. My local high school coach earns $5k for travk and $5k for XC and his assistants earn $3k each or $6k per year.
Dude hell to the No. Ross’ salary is an anomaly, only a handful of coaches in the NCAA make that or close to it. I think Dennis shaver maybe just crested over 300k he had been in the 200-250 range for a while. P5 distance coaches do not make 100k on Average, again a small minority make that. Most are in the 60-70k range, lowest in the mid 50s. So please chill
Any true head coach makes minimum 100k from national level schools. Assistants make around 60k, associates about 80k. Even some D2 schools offer those salary levels. Plus you get free running gear and usually food vouchers. 100+ meals a year free and $1000 in clothes is a decent deal. And discount schooling if not free. Outside of Cali that is a crazy deal.
You can look most up because they are publicly available. $200k is the average head coach in B10 and average distance coach earns $120k. Martin Smith was earning $250k at Iowa State and had a separate woman for distance earning $125k. How many examples do you need before you believe it?
Bronson is a fantastic high school coach but that isn't going to get him in a HC position at a top or even mid-tier D1 school. Almost everyone starts off as an assistant somewhere whether that's a top program or a lower program. Sometimes people are hired with limited coaching experience based on their running pedigree and sometimes people are hired based on HS or Juco coaching experience but I can't think of anyone who made the jump directly from HS to D1 without spending time as an assistant.
Conceivably Bronson could make the jump to a HC position at a D2 or D3 school but college is very different than HS and it doesn't matter whether it's Track, Basketball, Football or Lacrosse.
There's not a lot HS coaches whose only job it is to coach sports they either are also a teacher or have a non-academic job and coach P/T. Even in Friday Night Lights Texas where some schools have 20,000 capacity stadiums, having a full-time football coach who doesn't have any other duties is a rarity. It is certainly not unheard of to have a F/T football coach in Texas, Alabama, or Florida but usually they have some sort of other duties with school and it is definitely the exception to the norm. I have not heard of any F/T High School track coaches unless they are independently wealthy or retired.
Bronson is a fantastic high school coach but that isn't going to get him in a HC position at a top or even mid-tier D1 school. Almost everyone starts off as an assistant somewhere whether that's a top program or a lower program. Sometimes people are hired with limited coaching experience based on their running pedigree and sometimes people are hired based on HS or Juco coaching experience but I can't think of anyone who made the jump directly from HS to D1 without spending time as an assistant.
Conceivably Bronson could make the jump to a HC position at a D2 or D3 school but college is very different than HS and it doesn't matter whether it's Track, Basketball, Football or Lacrosse.
There's not a lot HS coaches whose only job it is to coach sports they either are also a teacher or have a non-academic job and coach P/T. Even in Friday Night Lights Texas where some schools have 20,000 capacity stadiums, having a full-time football coach who doesn't have any other duties is a rarity. It is certainly not unheard of to have a F/T football coach in Texas, Alabama, or Florida but usually they have some sort of other duties with school and it is definitely the exception to the norm. I have not heard of any F/T High School track coaches unless they are independently wealthy or retired.
A hs coach who lucked out with 2 generational talents and has a big ego isn't for college. He can't recruit. He hasn't proven he can take modest talent and make em great.
Why not? Can someone tell me which college coach has become famous for making modest talent great?
College coaching is easier than HS coaching as you RECRUIT the talent.
The other things that hamstring most California public schools is the difficult admissions process, most worthwhile majors are impacted (read: full, wait listed), and a general mediocrity when it comes to sports.
No kidding lmao, I got rejected by Cal Poly, UCI, UCSD, UCLA, UCB, UCSB, and SDSU with a 4.2 gpa and 33 act last year. Applied as a CS major so I might've gotten in to some of them if I had chosen something less impacted, but the fact is unless the coach has a significant influence on the admissions office, 70 percent or more of prospective recruits will be rejected by the university before they even get a chance to prove themselves on the track.
You are either wrong or these coaches are complete idiots because many distance coaches in the B10 and B12 are making $200k and pretty much are all earning more than $100k living in lower cost areas than Pac-12 coaches. I guess the Pac-12 is falling apart as we speak.
You said it yourself…look’em up. Most are publicly available. If Brosnan does get hired at one of these schools, expect for it to be a situation where they were “trying to save money” and the long term situation may not be…um…stable.