Fisher was clipped by Ahmed from the rear. It’s obvious.
Fisher was clipped by Ahmed from the rear. It’s obvious.
Not saying he wasn’t or was (I couldn’t tell), but it wouldn’t have made a difference. He was completely boxed and would have to wait for runners to go by before he could move and he’s not making up that distance lost in 100m. If he would simply move off the rail on the last lap or even move out on the last turn, this could be avoided most of the time. He had multiple opportunities to do this and instead hugged the rail the whole way. He has nobody to blame but himself, because this was a golden opportunity to medal and he squandered it with poor tactics.
Grant committed to the rail and covered every move from the inside. He was in position with 100m to go. Maybe he needed to anticipate being cut off and get to the spot first but it just looks like pure bad luck and part of racing. I would have liked to see him get the opportunity to display his full fitness to podium. It sucks as the Bowerman crew only get small windows to get a return on their massive workload. A missed opportunity for sure and it will take him a bit to bounce back from this disappointment. He is on the cusp but that is little solace.
Fischer looked like he had a shot at a bronze until he was clipped from behind. Unfortunate.
I also think he was impeded and/or clipped, causing the misstep. However, I thought he had learned from the 10,000 and would go w Jakob with 200 or 300 to go. Just get on his back come what may. So I ultimately think this was a poor final lap decision by Fisher to stay tucked in, and he only has himself to blame. Tough, because I really wanted to see him podium and thought he could.
Fisher got clipped by Ahmed plain and simple. He may have gotten a bronze-hard to say. But he was interfered with. Nothing can happen now.
This is assuming Fischer could have covered the move.... maybe where he was, was what he had.
Amen
After watching that on a big screen, high def many, many times, I'm trying to figure out where the heck Fisher thought he was going? He is clearly running his legs inside of Krop, who is hugging the rail tightly. At that point in the race he surely needed to have his steps fall outside of Krop.
I'm not blaming him, or anyone else, but I can't figure out how he thought he was running the proper line at that point.
Krop never gave up the rail through to the finish. Fisher was in trouble even without the trip.
Yessiree Bob is 100% correct. Grant ran dumb and it is his fault for letting himself get trapped in the rail. But Krop can't cut him off like he did.
I’m not a Grant Fisher fan. I think all BTC athletes are doing something that gives them an unfair advantage.
But Fisher was undoubtedly impeded in the last 150 meters by Krop. Krop cut in front of Fisher before he had a full length lead. Krop should have been DQd. But unfortunately there are no redos for the victim in track and field. Even if you take Krop out because of the DQ, Fisher only moves up one spot.
Even when Barega got tackled with 200 meters to go in that diamond league meet, the race still goes on.
Now hypothetically if Krop hadnt illegally cut off Fisher, I think he gets second or third as he was moving faster than Krop at that moment.
The part I don't understand is why did Grant let himself get into a poor spot in the 5000 after making similar mistakes in the 10,000.
Grant Fisher really had me cheering seeing him racing up front. So unfortunate whatever caused him to lose stride and hit the rail.
Hobby1jogger wrote:
Grant Fisher really had me cheering seeing him racing up front. So unfortunate whatever caused him to lose stride and hit the rail.
Why?
Fisher ran like this at Stanford too and never won a title.
He's good at fast races (that don't mean anything) with little or no interfere like Jerry's silly TTs that are paced with Mo Ahmed. ...But get him in any competitive race with real studs and he's a boring racer with no tactic except to stay near the front and on the rail. Meanwhile the best racers in DL or Olys or WCs typically lay off the front until it matters and then the best racers won't let themselves get boxed or tripped or anything else that leaves their fate to others.
Through college, Fisher showed his poor racing pedigree by failing to win Nats in xc or track despite being one of the most talented in the field. ....Same thing as a pro. If he wants to actually win something, dude needs to race more. A lot more
We’re all runners. We’ve all been in races on track and on roads as well, where you were either stepped on ( clipped)or foot abnormally pushed forward by rear runners leg extension and vice versa
What race were you watching?
Check your facts. He won the 2017 NCAA 5k
sdhfjksdh wrote:
Fisher did not step on the rail and whoever says so really can't see at all. Watch that video at 3:00 and put it in 1/4 speed.
This is, however, Fisher's fault for being in a stupid position for the second time in 2 races. He threw away two medals by marrying the inside rail.
What happens here is that he tries to pass inside of Krop because he didn't put himself in position to go wide, while the rest of the field (starting with Mo) is starting to move on the outside the way anyone with a brain would be positioned. Grant tries to go inside Krop, but Krop is ahead of him and drifts back in to protect his position, legally wrecking Grant's momentum. Grant tries to hold the position, makes a brushing contact of his right leg with Krops left leg, which pushes Grant's outside (right) foot to plant just inside the rail. Now Grant's inside (left leg is coming though in such a way as he would step on the rail or off the track so he counterrotates with his upper body to keep his feet in the track. At this point Mo is moving outside and around which leaves Grant nowhere to go so Grant has to rotate back to keep his feet on the track, which wipes out his forward momentum as the rest of the field begins passing him. He's now going out the back door and hangs on for 6th.
If he was on the other side of Krop's legs on that turn, he gets bronze at worst and quite possibly gets past Krop for the silver.
It was a great championships for Grant; we learned he is capable of double medaling which would have been amazing, but he needs to watch those tapes and get on the outside of lane 1 before 200m to go so anyone behind him has to go to lane 2 to get around. Going inside looked like it was going to be brilliant because he was behind Jakob so he could expect not to have someone slow down in front of him, but he was not fast enough to hold Krop outside. He should have took the outside instead, ran aside Krop (which he was doing) and then used the energy to try to slingshot past Krop forcing anyone behind to go to lane 2-3 to pass. By going inside, Krop expertly closed him off which ended his race right there. Mu did the same to Keeley in the 800m - dangled the inside line to her, then closed off the path once Keeley committed to it.
Time for Grant to watch tape. Maybe they need to do interval workouts where they repeatedly set up these kind of packs so he can practice positioning because he's totally capable of medalling in either or both events now.
100% agree with this. Don’t always try to hug the rail and ride it home. I really think Grant would have medaled; he had the fire in his eyes.
I hope Grant goes over to Europe and does some DL races. would be a waste of time and talent to stay home and do team time trials!!
trackrat wrote:
What race were you watching?
Good god you people are Whiners. If you can do better than Fisher, then put on a USA jersey and do better than him. What is stopping you? Or just text Jerry and tell him that YOU are taking over the coaching reigns - since you know better than coach and athlete.
And NO Ahmed didn't even touch him, you are obviously blind as well as stupid.
As to Krop - it is called racing, people get in each other's way ALL the time, the athletes learn to deal with it as part of the race. You arm-chair runners are the problem - YOU are the people who don't get it.
Imho, if he stayed right on the rail the entire time, he would've been fine. With 300m to go, he starts veering towards lane 2 and wasting energy (left leg is abt a foot or less from the line with 275-250 to go) to attempt to pass. If he stayed right on JI's rear (which he should have because it had been a slow race and he's not outkicking someone who's 7 secs faster in the 1500m), he would've prevented Krop from attempting to pass. Instead, with Krop slightly ahead of him, they both start veering back to the rail, and GF ended up being stuck. Lessons for (hopefully) next time.