I see no evidence that Illinois ever had four 4:07 or better milers in one year. The top times listed on the IHSA site don’t show that. What year are you referring to? It’s probably happened in CA.
Right now New Jersey has 4 under 4:10 so far; living within a few miles of each other.
14 I just the article. I wonder if some of the jealous coaches and persons may be the haters on these boards, you know the but, but, but ones.
If someone reports an actual violation, does that make them a jealous hater? Why are you so inclined to believe the word of someone with the track record of lying like Brosnan?
Enough we get it you don't like Brosnan. grow up and move on
Not one time during the existence of OAC have all 4 of these athletes been healthy at the same time. Ritz coaches in an all or nothing style. No way OAC will have 4 healthy guys.
Knowing that I won't change your mind, I think it's still important to point out for the record how poorly informed you are. You can see all of Klecker's training on Strava. He's doing the most in the group and it's all totally reasonable. Most of it is moderate threshold type work and he'll often take two easy days between hard sessions, which is not common at the highest levels of the sport, at least in the US.
Also worth pointing out that McDonald was hurt early last year in a slip on ice not related to Bosshard's training and sort of dragged himself through the Olympics because it was the Olympics. The guy has barely trained since joining OAC so I don't think you can pin it on Ritzenhein's methods. Beamish was really fragile before he joined the group and has been healthy for almost a year. Hoare has been healthy the entire time he's been with the group.
I'm sure I'll be accused of being an apologist but these are just facts for people who actually pay attention.
I just thought of this. It doesn’t matter what any of us think. California CIF public school rules are very strict on who competes where. What waiting periods are in effect for transfers. The same core of Newbury Park runners have been together for 3 to 4 years. Not once has there been a CIF transfer violation issue at Newbury Park.
The only complaint comes from the haters on these boards. So to you haters, live with it, because there will be another year of this greatness at Newbury Park.
According The NY Times there have been 15 complaints of violations submitted.
How many of those 15 have been validated? Is it 0? 15? Anybody can file a complaint. What were the results? Has the team or coach been disciplined? Sour grapes count for naught. Actual substantiated violations matter. And completely unsubstantiated accusations count for less than nothing. "Too good" is NOT a valid basis for claiming wrong-doing.
I see no evidence that Illinois ever had four 4:07 or better milers in one year. The top times listed on the IHSA site don’t show that. What year are you referring to? It’s probably happened in CA.
Right now New Jersey has 4 under 4:10 so far; living within a few miles of each other.
If COVID hadn't cancelled the 2020 Outdoor season, you would have had Cole Sprout (senior) who ran 4 flat that spring, Parker Wolfe (junior) didn't run that spring, but ran 4:06 1600 at 5000FT his senior year, and Harrison Witte (junior) didn't run that spring, but ran 4:04 1600 state record at 5000FT his senior year (to beat Parker Wolfe in the state championship). They attended 3 different HS's less than 5 miles apart...and CO also has open enrollment.
I have to say that while this is a rare, rare chance to put the record out there for twenty or thirty years, I'm disappointed that they're wasting chances for getting individual records and stacking the all-time lists with their current athletes in the 1500-10000m, or at least 5000m. They'll still have a number of chances but this is not the kind of event where you can run pr's unless you lead off.
Well, this may be their only year where they have 4 athletes of this caliber. They may think that next year they may not have a fourth athlete in close to 4:00 shape, so they want to get the record now, especially since they can get in a pro race. Sahlman is the only one of the 4 who's graduating this year, and he's already run 3:58 and 8:33, plus ran that XC 5k record (up to you if that counts). One of the Youngs ran .1 off of the 3k record, and the other just ran 8:39, plus Aaron ran 8:01. Looking at that, they've started stacking the all time lists and it's only March.
Plus, we already know they're trying to run under 8:30 at Arcadia in early April. 4 guys under 8:30 (amazing that that's even feasible right now) would certainly stack the all time lists/might be an individual record. They'll do the Penn Relays after that at the end of April, then they have all of May and June to run miles, 2 miles, and 5ks. I saw someone say before that Brosnan thinks Colin has a shot to break Webb's record, so maybe we'll get to see that at Pre or something.
All in all, I don't think you have anything to worry about. They have a good shot at putting the 4xmile record 30+ years out of reach, and still grabbing a bunch of individual records/filling up the all time lists. Honestly, the more I think about it, the more incredible the times become. It's been said plenty before, but it's absurd that we get to watch 4 of the greatest HS runners ever compete against each other in every race, and they've run some of the fastest times ever already by early March.
I have mixed feelings - I understand why they would want to run in pro races instead of the various state qualifications, but NP has a shot at winning the state title off of only distance events, or just trying to shatter records instead.
Either way, I wish them the best.
They would never win the state title unless they ran 2 or three events each. That is ridiculous. That would be a terrible coach to make them do that.
He would be a questionable coach to make them do it, but they absolutely could win off of just distance events. The Denner twins from Oak Ridge got 2nd as a team a few years back by going 1-4 in the 1600 and 1-2 in the 3200 - and they were in first until Serra pulled ahead in the 4x400.
They would never win the state title unless they ran 2 or three events each. That is ridiculous. That would be a terrible coach to make them do that.
He would be a questionable coach to make them do it, but they absolutely could win off of just distance events. The Denner twins from Oak Ridge got 2nd as a team a few years back by going 1-4 in the 1600 and 1-2 in the 3200 - and they were in first until Serra pulled ahead in the 4x400.
So all the coaches that have had runners double at the state meet are terrible or questionable coaches?
He would be a questionable coach to make them do it, but they absolutely could win off of just distance events. The Denner twins from Oak Ridge got 2nd as a team a few years back by going 1-4 in the 1600 and 1-2 in the 3200 - and they were in first until Serra pulled ahead in the 4x400.
So all the coaches that have had runners double at the state meet are terrible or questionable coaches?
No, but when you have runners that might want to run in pro meets around the same time, doing multiple events through CIF qualifications might be questionable.
I agree that having them double up in successive qualifying meets all the way through CIF state in order to win the championship is a non-starter. Unfortunately, the non-distance part of the NPHS track team has nobody that can score points at the state meet. Having points elsewhere would free them up to run single events and cruise all the way to the state meet. My guess is that Brosnan has had conversations with the other NP track coaches and the AD and decided that separating the NP4 to give them the best individual opportunities rather than put them through a state meet qualifying grinder made the most sense.
He would be a questionable coach to make them do it, but they absolutely could win off of just distance events. The Denner twins from Oak Ridge got 2nd as a team a few years back by going 1-4 in the 1600 and 1-2 in the 3200 - and they were in first until Serra pulled ahead in the 4x400.
So all the coaches that have had runners double at the state meet are terrible or questionable coaches?
The CIF southern section has the following required races in order to run the CA state championships.
1. League Championships
2. CIF prelims
3. CIF finals
4. CIF Masters Meet
5. CA State Championships. If you run the mile or 800m you have prelims at the state champs also.
If you make your distance athletes double for a state title coming from the southern section it would be a bit crazy. Running three distance events would be an injury waiting to happen.
Keep in mind this is only the southern section of CIF that requires 5-6 weeks of races. And unfortunately Newbury Park is in the southern section. No other section in California has qualifiers like this. I'm in the San Diego section and I wouldn't blame Newbury Park for skipping all these races.
I agree there should be some D1 teams throwing their hats in the ring. But let’s acknowledge for a second that Newbury is racing a pro team, not a college team. That’s how good this HS squad is.
Racing a pro team is a bit of a stretch. They’ll be gapped by 10 seconds after the first leg and it will increase by nearly 10 seconds every leg.
Shifting back to OAC for a minute, would this mark even count as a world's best given that the runners are from 3 different countries? I thought all the runners had to be from the same country for it to count even unofficially as a world's best mark (since the 4xmile is not a WR event)?
I agree there should be some D1 teams throwing their hats in the ring. But let’s acknowledge for a second that Newbury is racing a pro team, not a college team. That’s how good this HS squad is.
Racing a pro team is a bit of a stretch. They’ll be gapped by 10 seconds after the first leg and it will increase by nearly 10 seconds every leg.
Let's assume you're correct. Is NP in the race to win or just run a fast time? It's probably the latter. It's the team equivalent of throwing Colin Sahlman into the Pre mile. He has no chance of winning, just running a fast time.
I agree there should be some D1 teams throwing their hats in the ring. But let’s acknowledge for a second that Newbury is racing a pro team, not a college team. That’s how good this HS squad is.
Racing a pro team is a bit of a stretch. They’ll be gapped by 10 seconds after the first leg and it will increase by nearly 10 seconds every leg.
Racing the top pro team(s) is a bit of a stretch, but they'll be in the mix with most teams.
Are you saying that they'd lose by nearly 40 seconds? Unlikely even if they only run what they ran indoor.
Thats a bit of a stretch, on how much per leg they would lose. But, even if they ran a really really fast time, say 16:20, would that even count as a HS record? And by the way , having lapped runners at NB helped if anything, not hurt, they only had to move to outside to middle of lane two and it gave them targets to chase, all alone on the track, they would have run slower.
If I were them I would run the DMR against Ridge and UC and put the HS DMR record out of reach, the HS DMR is a strong record.