How are cases and deaths and hospitalizations never getting better despite widespread vaccination and previous infection?

Joe Biden lets covid flow over the southern border along with fentanyl and gangbangers.

sweet d willie wrote:

Joe Biden lets covid flow over the southern border along with fentanyl and gangbangers.

Yep why are there not extreme, high end measures and propoganda 24/7 to stop fentanyl, which kills a lot more young people than covid?

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3x vaxxed guy wrote:

runnER/DR wrote:

Breakthrough infections. It sucks.

Explain why I should GAF about a breakthrough infection. Isn’t that our basic endemic destiny? Why try to avoid the inevitable? Nobody else is getting vaxxed that hasn’t already, so the “waiting for vax numbers to rise” angle is bunk.

Because it's an enormous public health problem. Seems like a good reason. I'm just pointing out a simple fact.

You can call it whatever you want. But "vaccinated infections" were extremely rare just a few months ago. Now they are abundantly common.

It's quite the conundrum. Not offering a pre-baked solution. It's an incredibly frustrating problem for me, and not only because it has made work a living hell the past few weeks.

Antivaxxers killing democracy wrote:

Noyankee wrote:

Fauci is amass murderer , this according to Dr. Malone, a main developer of the MRNA. Nothing to see here according to the Gauci juice drinkers. That guy forgot more about MRNA than their boss would ever know.

But not antivaxxer clowns or amoral low life pieces of sh!t that grift off them; no it's not like they don't have any part in the +100k people who died from covid, the vast majority of whom would have been alive if they were vaccinated.

I blame God.

You won't get an answer wrote:

Amazing how in the post-vaccine world we're still talking about cases, isn't it? Who cares about cases and "surges". This will be with us forever and if we truly believe this vaccine works then cases are irrelevant.

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This is where the left and Dems lose their credibility. It's yet another mixed message. You can't talk about forcing people to vax, and then turn right around and freak out when people test positive and (because they are vaxxed) they either have light symptoms or they are completely asymptomatic.

The message SHOULD be: Look how awesome it is that we are having all these people test +, yet the hospitalizations and deaths are so low. Look at how effective the vax is!

Instead what we get is the call for MORE masks mandates, MORE shut downs, blah blah blah that completely guts the message of the effectiveness of the vaccines, and shows that C19 is being used as an excuse for authoritarianism by dishonest politicians.

That's the problem. Hospitalizations and deaths aren't low. They are definitely lower than 11 months ago, peak pandemic. But we're far worse off going into the holidays this year than last. Overall we're a lot better off than without the vaccine. But we had all been planning on the vaccine making this an obsolete problem by now(myself included). It's a massive problem still.

sweet d willie wrote:

Joe Biden lets covid flow over the southern border along with fentanyl . . . .

Most fentanyl comes from China and India. Southern border not involved.

Nerts, there I go again, injecting those "fact" thingies into the discussion. Sorry for messing with your vibe.

[quote]runnER/DR wrote:

[quote]NotPC wrote:

[quote]You won't get an answer wrote:

That's the problem. Hospitalizations and deaths aren't low. They are definitely lower than 11 months ago,

U.S. NEWS NOV. 22, 2021 / 11:42 AM / UPDATED NOV. 22, 2021 AT 11:50 AM

U.S. COVID-19 deaths surpass total for 2020

As cases have spiked in recent weeks, the Upper Midwest region has been hit particularly hard.

As for the recent spike in positive cases, hospitalizations and deaths from COVID-19, Fauci said...

Resident Branch Covidians Harambe and 2600bro are hellbent on making peoples lives miserable.

People who have had their 2nd shot, and are now considered "unvaxxed" in the eyes of the Branch Covidians. Oof. You only had like 60% of the population double vaxxed. So not only are the initial 40% "unvaxxed", you now have a fractured sect of the 60% who will refuse the booster charade. Double oof.

Rebellion and civil disorder over draconian French government Covid vaccine mandates in Guadeloupe and Martinique.

https://www.france24.com/en/france/20211124-french-caribbean-rocked-by-fresh-unrest-over-covid-measures

carmine9 wrote:

[quote]runnER/DR wrote:

[quote]NotPC wrote:

[quote]You won't get an answer wrote:

That's the problem. Hospitalizations and deaths aren't low. They are definitely lower than 11 months ago,

U.S. NEWS NOV. 22, 2021 / 11:42 AM / UPDATED NOV. 22, 2021 AT 11:50 AM

U.S. COVID-19 deaths surpass total for 2020

As cases have spiked in recent weeks, the Upper Midwest region has been hit particularly hard.

As for the recent spike in positive cases, hospitalizations and deaths from COVID-19, Fauci said...

So lower but not satisfied until what, ZERO??

What you posted is exactly what I was talking about.

No matter how much progress we make you insist on alarmist rhetoric that does nothing but crush the message about how well the vax helps.

yes. if you dont take the vaccine every 6 month you will be labelled a murderer and racist (for some reason).

We will be out of this mess once the Dumbocrat-mandated increase in the murder rate surpasses covid deaths....i.e. sooner rather than later.

noglacierforyougfdgdf wrote:

yes. if you dont take the vaccine every 6 month you will be labelled a murderer and racist (for some reason).

Because we are dealing with low IQ folks who cannot come up with a better argument

jamb innnnn wrote:

Resident Branch Covidians Harambe and 2600bro are hellbent on making peoples lives miserable.

People who have had their 2nd shot, and are now considered "unvaxxed" in the eyes of the Branch Covidians. Oof. You only had like 60% of the population double vaxxed. So not only are the initial 40% "unvaxxed", you now have a fractured sect of the 60% who will refuse the booster charade. Double oof.

Well, according to the CDC, 80% of Americans age 12+ have had at least one vaccine, and 70% are double vaxxed. That’s actually a pretty large number. Of the remaining, tens and tens of millions have acquired natural immunity, which the vast majority of studies have shown as more robust and durable than the vaccine induced response to what amounts to roughly 12% of the viral genome. This is where the CDC is being utterly disingenuous, because they refuse to look at it in depth.

70% double vaccinated is actually higher than I had anticipated.

Anyhow, of those folks, how many are gonna flip the double birds to a 3rd, 4th, 'N'th, vaccine? If ur telling me I need this every 6 months, I am going to immediately question it's effectiveness in the first place.

Cats pretty much out of the bag. It will be reflected in the 2022 midterms.

100%. The left just wants to keep you masked and locked down forever. It’s bizarre. They are addicted to COVID and it is unexplainable.

runnER/DR wrote:

3x vaxxed guy wrote:

Explain why I should GAF about a breakthrough infection. Isn’t that our basic endemic destiny? Why try to avoid the inevitable? Nobody else is getting vaxxed that hasn’t already, so the “waiting for vax numbers to rise” angle is bunk.

Because it's an enormous public health problem. Seems like a good reason. I'm just pointing out a simple fact.

You can call it whatever you want. But "vaccinated infections" were extremely rare just a few months ago. Now they are abundantly common.

It's quite the conundrum. Not offering a pre-baked solution. It's an incredibly frustrating problem for me, and not only because it has made work a living hell the past few weeks.

Perhaps that’s the limit to your intellectual abilities, pointing out simple facts. Poor segue, but I just read the other day that “knowledge of a fact is pale” it isn’t until you realize that fact that “it starts to take color.” It sounds to me like you should spend more time reflecting on the facts you have accumulated rather than simply pointing them out to yourself and others.

As for your reasoning, “it’s an enormous public health problem”, there could be no greater cop out; I’ll try to use “simple facts” to support my argument.

This isn’t the only public health problem.

As far as public health problems are concerned, corona doesn’t even come close to claiming as many lives or causing as many long term health maladies as other “enormous public health problems.”

Of all the “enormous public health problems” you’ve chosen to prioritize the one which receives the most media attention; a coincidence only a sheep-witted milksop like yourself can ignore. (Maybe that fact isn’t simple enough for you)

Is it though?