Official 2021 Wetklasse Zurich Discussion Thread (Instant Reaction Show at 4 :05 pm ET)

jabouko wrote:

? you respond to no one, hurl accusatory posts at others... what are YOU bringing bud?

Never have I criticized your favored athletes, so keep it moving bot

Do you remember this?

That day I didn't even answer you...

And I have a long memory when someone hurt me.

You're still insulting me by calling me bot.

There link:

Yusef Scumm. wrote:

asby wrote:

Looks like No one congratulated Mboma after the race

Why would they? All of the bio women’s hard work amounted to ZERO.

All the bio women should have never entered. Or they should have walked off the line right before the gun.

Mboma…. Great athlete. Just shouldn’t be competing with bio women.

Agree. The Jamaicans and Asher-Smith should get together and refuse to race any biological men. They club together and they’ve clout. Otherwise, they’re going to continue to lose a lot of prize money and sponsorship money to a very good - but not world class - biological male. This biological male is only going to improve massively in the next year or so. Clean up the start and the total lack of biomechanics, and Mboma will come close to the elite males (sub 21secs looks like a real possibility if Mboma doesn’t sandbag it).

ah yes, because you noted this:

"McSweyn, Tefera, Lewandowski"

These runners are definitely for the décor .

They are done for me.

Never have I suspected Katir on here! Yes, I said bot, because you seemed to fixate on one aspect of peoples posts and ignore the rest.

Ding dong Katir is gone wrote:

Passant wrote:

Good result for Katir, beating a lot of good guys.

Katir, a 12:50/3:28 guy, can't beat 'a lot of good guys.' He has to beat 'the best guys'.

Insert quarter. Try another dose in the off-season.

^ This.

I don't think anyone ran so much slower than either their SB or PB as Katir in that race.

And this is a guy who had improved 8 seconds in 12 months. He then goes back 4 seconds as soon as he's in the testing pool. And he still has defenders here.

jabouko wrote:

ah yes, because you noted this:

"McSweyn, Tefera, Lewandowski"

These runners are definitely for the décor .

They are done for me.

Never have I suspected Katir on here! Yes, I said bot, because you seemed to fixate on one aspect of peoples posts and ignore the rest.

and in fact, you have continually disregarded McSweyn's incredible season. That was my issue earlier this thread. Don't project any of the Katir-hate on me - I have been very carefully neutral on his performances. In fact, my first instinct is to defend him from the racist attacks that are common; as a brown man in a white country I understand his situation.

BS.. Everybody was chatting with Mboma. First time I’m seeing her live but she looks a million times more feminine than Elaine or Shelly Ann or Ta Lou or even Gabby Thomas... Very very slim.

degrasssse wrote:

Why degrasse runs on the outside of the bend

That was a clinic on how to not run the bend by De Grasse, yeeesh. He left himself a mile back of Bednarek.

Bilbo Baggins the Fourth wrote:

Katir, a 12:50/3:28 guy, can't beat 'a lot of good guys.' He has to beat 'the best guys'.

Insert quarter. Try another dose in the off-season.

^ This.

I don't think anyone ran so much slower than either their SB or PB as Katir in that race.

And this is a guy who had improved 8 seconds in 12 months. He then goes back 4 seconds as soon as he's in the testing pool. And he still has defenders here.[/quote]

Why are you focusing on Katir?

He is almost in his first professional season and now ranking 5 in a IAAF final with 3:32 in bad conditions?

key takeaways

1) DL Zurich isn't what it used to be, but then Diamond League never was what Golden League used to be either.

2) Karsten Warthog is going to break the old WR lots of times, unless he breaks his leg first.

3) Jakob still has no sprint or he would have sailed by Tim.

4) Elaine is like Carl Lewis with a magic super-form high stepping overdrive mode

5) Mboma looks more like a dude when running than when standing still

Passant wrote:

Bilbo Baggins the Fourth wrote:

Katir, a 12:50/3:28 guy, can't beat 'a lot of good guys.' He has to beat 'the best guys'.

Insert quarter. Try another dose in the off-season.

^ This.

I don't think anyone ran so much slower than either their SB or PB as Katir in that race.

And this is a guy who had improved 8 seconds in 12 months. He then goes back 4 seconds as soon as he's in the testing pool. And he still has defenders here.

Why are you focusing on Katir?

He is almost in his first professional season and now ranking 5 in a IAAF final with 3:32 in bad conditions?

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Many people here were calling him the gold medal favorite for Tokyo if he had decided to run the 1500m. Most people thought he would be near certain to medal if he had run the 1500m, instead of choosing the 5000m where most people thought he was even more certain to medal.

This field was nowhere near the calibre of the Tokyo final. Kerr, Wightman, and Hocker would have dusted Katir tonight.

He goes from a 3:36 also ran to 3:28 in 10 months at age 23, beating Jakob and pushing Tim all the way, destroying McSweyn in the home straight in the process.

In his last 2 races (not to mention his flop in Tokyo) he's barely a top 10 guy, and well behind Oliver Hoare let alone McSweyn.

And the excuses for him are laughable. 10K shoes? Oh yea, he's a dirty poor Moroccan immigrant from a region of Spain that is practically Third World. Even with a Nike sponsorship, he can't afford a new pair of super spikes and has to wear a buddy's 10K flats.

Nothing wrong with the conditions tonight as a number of the races showed.

He's got some hard choices this winter. Take the risk of getting caught, or regress back into a 3:38/ 14:50 runner.

Was really surprised that Katir folded like a cheap suit down the homestretch. That definitely wasn’t a 3:28/12:48 athlete. Something has definitely changed.

Injury?

Shoes?

Overcooked?

Post Tokyo blues?

Testing pool?

There's nothing more irritating on the boards than the people posting "X had a good race, they can run [insert time they've not shown they are capable of] in a paced DL race." It's almost always American runners in question. Just enjoy the results for what they are. Norris has had a great year and capping it with third in the DL final is wonderful for her.

Overall, the final was a great event, and some small redemption for American men after bombing in Tokyo. Taking the 100, 200, 400, and 110h is pretty great, they couldn't have done any more on the track given how bad US male distance running is right now

jimmy g wrote:

jimmy g wrote:

With both Christian Coleman and Fred Kerley earning 100m wildcard spots for the 2022 world championships (but only one can be used - only 1 per country), who does USATF choose to take the spot in the scenario that neither compete in the event at USATF nationals for whatever reason?

Say in the scenario both false start during the final at the US champs.

You do not have to run the same distance at US Trials that you have the bye in. You can run any distance. You don't even have to run a final.

degrasssse wrote:

Why degrasse runs on the outside of the bend

Kerley did the same.

Yusef Scumm. wrote:

asby wrote:

Looks like No one congratulated Mboma after the race

Why would they? All of the bio women’s hard work amounted to ZERO.

All the bio women should have never entered. Or they should have walked off the line right before the gun.

Mboma…. Great athlete. Just shouldn’t be competing with bio women.

Agreed!! Well said!

Al Bakkali from his facebook:

The Tokyo Olympic champion revealed the reasons that prevented him from attending the final meeting of the Diamond League in Zurich, where he said, "As for today's race, I suffered before the race from several things. The head, especially last night, I suffered from a high fever, despite all this I gradually came back, thanks to my coach Si Karim Tlemceni, who has been watching me throughout this period, but this was not enough to restore my strength 100 percent, so I was not in good health in the race.”

Jakob was clearly worn out. I hope nobody mistakes today's outcome for a reestablishment in Cheriuyot's favor. Jakob was the only one in yesterday's press conference who seemed annoyed to be there instead of thrilled to be there. Everyone was laughing and joking around, other than Jakob who was testy from the outset.

Then he ran the same way. Not even close to the same guy from Tokyo, where he was seemingly bored and looking for a greater challenge.

I was disappointed that Frerichs didn't push the pace with 2 laps remaining, after that second kilometer was so slow. But she seemed flat and logically satisfied after the 8:57.

They key for Frerichs is to learn how to avoid chop stepping so many barriers. Such a waste of energy and time. And she needs to apply the aggressive strategy repeatedly instead of doing not much of anything until a championship race shows up. Jeruto was not in Tokyo. Frerichs got a break and needs to recognize it as such. Higher level required.

My favorite race was women's 1500, largely because Hassan adopted the proper cat and mouse strategy that I predicted here. Kipyegon dominates around the final bend if you force a fast pace and allow her to sit on your shoulder. But if you lay back behind Kipyegon she is not fully comfortable and tends to allow the race to get a bit slow, and waits too long to unleash. Hassan played it perfectly today, guaranteeing a stride for stride finish. I had no idea who would prevail.

I was happy that Femke Bol finished off her great season. A loss today would really have left a sour taste. It didn't receive much attention but Bol and her mixed relay teammates at Tokyo really should have won the gold medal -- or some medal -- iif not for the terrible anchor leg by Ramsey Angela. He split 44.3 while anchoring mixed opening round, then 44.2 and 44.1 in the two rounds of the men's 4 x 400, leading to silver. Any of those splits would have been sufficient for gold in the mixed final. But Angela got too cocky entering the final turn and accelerated too soon. He collapsed late to narrowly beaten 4th place in 45.07. That type of missed opportunity can easily be made up if let's say you are an American with relay opportunities every Olympics and world championships. Not in the Netherlands. It may never come again for Bol and the other women.

True — Bol and her teammates got robbed of that Olympic relay medal by their own anchor leg.

The vertical jumps were the highlight of the DL finals for me. Lasitskene, McDermott, Tamberi, Sidorova, and Duplantis were so much fun to watch.