Serious discussion: Israel has the most cases of covid per capita in the world right now. What is going on?

Read this for a non- Fear porn take on Israel https://www.timesofisrael.com/health-officials-said-to-believe-israel-can-reach-herd-immunity-within-2-months/

What is going on ?

THIS:

Nursing home residents, health care workers lose more than 80% of their COVID-19 immunity six months after Pfizer vaccine. Case Western Reserve University researchers, in partnership with Brown University, examine vaccine’s effectiveness over time on seniors and their caregivers

1-Sep-2021 5:00 PM

CLEVELAND—A new, multi-institutional study led by Case Western Reserve University—in partnership with Brown University—found that COVID-19 antibodies produced by the Pfizer vaccine decreased sharply in senior nursing home residents and their caregivers six months after receiving their second shots.

David Canaday, professor at the School of Medicine, and the research team studied blood samples of 120 Ohio nursing home residents and 92 health care workers. In particular, they looked at humoral immunity—also called antibody-mediated immunity—to measure the body’s defenses against the coronavirus.

The researchers, including a lab team at Harvard University, found that individuals’ antibody levels decreased more than 80% after six months; the results were the same in seniors (median age 76) and caregivers (median age 48) alike, according to the study.

Massive overdose of mRNA vaccine.

If the booster vaccines are still designed around the alpha strain, they could do a TENTH shot with minimal effect. COVID is starting to behave more like the flu than like measles, which means the vaccines will be chasing after the variants in perpetuity. Fauci’s friends in China sure made one hell of a virus.

joed|rty wrote:

If the booster vaccines are still designed around the alpha strain, they could do a TENTH shot with minimal effect. COVID is starting to behave more like the flu than like measles, which means the vaccines will be chasing after the variants in perpetuity. Fauci’s friends in China sure made one hell of a virus.

A friends husband died last night leaving four young children behind. The yon gets bay Justine year old. Jerod was just 40 and unvaccinated. It’s tragic. He had no underlying conditions.

People like you Dirt don’t have a solution. Al you have are dangerous words encouraging conservatives to take unnecessary risks and maybe die.

the youngest baby just a year old*

What say you now Wejo wrote:

joed|rty wrote:

If the booster vaccines are still designed around the alpha strain, they could do a TENTH shot with minimal effect. COVID is starting to behave more like the flu than like measles, which means the vaccines will be chasing after the variants in perpetuity. Fauci’s friends in China sure made one hell of a virus.

A friends husband died last night leaving four young children behind. The yon gets bay Justine year old. Jerod was just 40 and unvaccinated. It’s tragic. He had no underlying conditions.

People like you Dirt don’t have a solution. Al you have are dangerous words encouraging conservatives to take unnecessary risks and maybe die.

Link to the obit ? I'd like to know more about him.

DanM wrote:

CDC estimates that over 120 Million Americans had been infected as of late May. Its probably close to half the population by now.

You raise a good point. It's going to be very hard in a few years to figure out the vaccine's effectiveness against death when a huge percentage of the pop already has covid. Remember, the vaccine makers told everyone in the placebo group in the initial trials they were in the placebo group.

They claimed they had medical and ethical requirement to do so but it also conveniently ends the ability to track the vaccine's long term effectiveness.

How is anything I said discouraging anybody? I was making the point that the booster shots are still designed around the alpha variant. When they first came out with these vaccines, they said they could tweak the recipe fairly easily to cover new variants as they arose. They aren’t doing this with the boosters. You may be able to be a trial guinea pig if that is your prerogative.

Flu vaccines have relatively low success rates because they miss strains all the time. Is the FDA approval process too slow to catch up with the mutations? Fully vaxxed individuals are contracting, getting hospitalized and dying of Delta (about two thirds less than the unvaxxed population, but that number continues to drop as new data comes out). Ultimately all of us are responsible for our own actions. One should not rely on chat boards for their decision making. I would recommend you mask and distance, but I am not an expert.

DanM wrote:

What say you now Wejo wrote:

A friends husband died last night leaving four young children behind. The yon gets bay Justine year old. Jerod was just 40 and unvaccinated. It’s tragic. He had no underlying conditions.

People like you Dirt don’t have a solution. Al you have are dangerous words encouraging conservatives to take unnecessary risks and maybe die.

Link to the obit ? I'd like to know more about him.

It happened last night in a Dallas hospital. Out of respect for his wife and kids I will not fully name him here. But I am not lying about this. Someone with the same outlook on this issue has died, leaving a young wife and four babies fatherless.

It’s not a game on the internet, come out of your basement.

joed|rty wrote:

Fully vaxxed individuals are contracting, getting hospitalized and dying of Delta (about two thirds less than the unvaxxed population, but that number continues to drop as new data comes out).

You’re fear-mongering. 2/3 less where are you getting these numbers…? You mean being vaxxed is only 66% better protection against serious cases of COVID? That would be really bad news but I have not seen any figure like that. If it were the case, I’m not sure why the Northeast wouldn’t be doing a heckuva lot worse than it is.

Lewis G wrote:

Half of these people are probably vaccinated in real life anyway and just trolling here for the lolz. The other half is so far gone you'll never reach them anyway.

Step back into the real world and do some real good there. I got the last of my running buddies vaccinated the other day. Didn't have to wade through a single crazy denialist youtube video, either.

You’re right but if the mods won’t take a stand against misinformation I’m gonna do what I can.

All of my friends are vaccinated. It’s a complete no-brainer since about… February for everyone I know.

And what is it with deniers and 30 min YouTube videos?

joed|rty wrote:

If the booster vaccines are still designed around the alpha strain, they could do a TENTH shot with minimal effect. COVID is starting to behave more like the flu than like measles, which means the vaccines will be chasing after the variants in perpetuity. Fauci’s friends in China sure made one hell of a virus.

There’s been exactly 2 world-dominant variants since we’ve been keeping track and the vaccine works great against both.

Circulating antibodies are expected to wane after several months. Oftentimes a third dose can stimulate lasting sterilizing immunity — that’s what happens in Hep B. Many people still don’t think the general pop needs a booster at all! Efficacy is still great.

A few basics:

1. Israel does more testing than many other nations, which increases the number of cases detected.

2. Vaccination rates in Isreal are NOT high when compared with Europe. There are many orthodox refusers. Like the U.S., this means big clusters of people remain vulnerable.

3. Vaccine efficacy wears off with time, partly because the second dose was so close in time to the first. When the epidemic dissipates, it's likely that the second dose will be given at least 6 months after the first. The world's population does not have that luxury right now.

4. Related to point 3, Isreal was one of the first nations to have widespread immunity--and is thus one of the first to have it wear off

5. Isreal went very open once case rates fell, with minimal precautions taken. This set the stage for a big comeback.

6. The mRNA vaccines probably have only 70-80% efficacy against Delta, as opposed to 95% vs. alpha. Still highly protective, but not nearly as good as the outstanding efficacy vs. alpha.

7. Related to point 6, efficacy does not mean that there is a 70% chance for a given individual to be completely protected. Instead, it means that at any given instant of time, an individual who has been vaccinated has a 70% lower risk of getting COVID. Pile up the risk high enough (e.g. spend a weekend indoors with a friend who has COVID) and the chance of a breakthrough case can be quite high, even among those who have been vaccinated.

The variants all come from countries where you couldn’t get vaxxed if you wanted to

Does the vaccine work? I think it helps. I think we are somewhat better off due to vaccination despite the fact that Delta causes twice the rate of hospitalization and is much more contagious than the previous variants.

However, please check out the official dashboard for vaccination outcomes in the Seattle area:

https://kingcounty.gov/depts/health/covid-19/data/vaccination-outcomes.aspx

It shows that vaccines are highly effective.

It also shows that 28% of deaths in the last six months are among the fully vaccinated.

Please read that again. 28% of deaths in the Seattle area in the last six months are among the fully vaccinated. This is incredible give that most people didn't even get vaccinated until March / April. Our vaccination rate overall is a little over 70%.

501miler wrote:

The problem is, that we now have all these variants. If people would have get vaccinated faster and we wouldn't have social media (including LRC) spreading false information, we might be through this already.

Because people to this day (just check on the letsrun forum) refuse to wear masks and a hesitancy to get vaccinated, make the spread of more variants very likely.

But hey it's all about free opinions about everything (including all the false covid BS on here)

You wejo are part of the problem because you didn't lead when you could have.

Now we go into the second year of cancelled races.

Thanks Wejo!

You have successfully parroted the propaganda messaging given to you by your Marxist overlords. Good job!

Maybe people hoping for vaccination mandates don't understand that about 10% of the US population is literally willing to fight a civil war to prevent them. If two significant portions of your population operate under an opposed set of facts, they shouldn't be ruled by the same government. This is why the Middle East has Sunni and Shia countries.

Israel was the fastest to roll out mass vaccinations, but actually fell well short of reaching a high percentage of the population because of resistance in ultra orthodox communities and some Arab communities. COVID hotspots in Israel are currently in ultra orthodox neighborhoods.

There is waning immunity in older populations. As people age, their ability to sustain vaccine immunity declines. Israel was caught by surprise on this issue as it was one of the earliest countries to have a mass vaccination campaign. Israel is deploying boosters for people aged 60+ at a very rapid pace and the moving seven day average of cases is already starting to show a decline as a result (data is patchy on testing due to the high holidays--won't smooth out for a few weeks). Big daily infection results in Israel are due to delays in test results due to Rosh Hashana.