whaletail wrote:
Not to mention, none of these women appear to even have to shave.
This might be the dumbest thing in this thread.
But it kinda makes me wonder what kipchoge would look like with hairy legs and a beard.
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OozmaKappa wrote:
whaletail wrote:
Not to mention, none of these women appear to even have to shave.
This might be the dumbest thing in this thread.
But it kinda makes me wonder what kipchoge would look like with hairy legs and a beard.
Persuasive rebuttal.
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RunRagged wrote:
whaletail wrote:
Not to mention, none of these women appear to even have to shave.
Although I agree that intersex athletes do possess an inherent advantage, the idea that they're biologically indistinguishable from adult males seems hyperbolic.
It's also worth remembering that neither Mboma nor Nyonsaba are top ranked in either the 200m or 5K, respectively (although Mboma's 48.5 400m is an all-time mark, and the fastest this year), and had Athing Mu and Keely Hodgkinson been around to check the intersex 800m dominance in London and Rio, I wonder whether the current ban would even exist.
That said, I still cautiously support the ruling. I just don't think it's as straightforward, or as simplistic an issue as many claim.
It's a well-established fact that lack of male-typical facial and body hair is a common feature of the XY DSD conditions covered by the WA DSD rules. In fact, it's a telltale sign considered to be a defining characteristic of several conditions like XY 5-ARD.
And like I said before, some of the XY DSD athletes who have competed in women's sports in the past, and are competing in women's track & field today, do make viable sperm and can father children.
I appreciate the new information. If it's as persuasive as it admittedly seems at a glance, I imagine my opinion will change.
BTW, I think you might mean male-atypical facial and body hair, and if so, is that associated with lower testosterone (vs. typical XY males) in those DSD females? Although I'm not an endocrinologist, facial hair production in post pubescent XY males certainly seems correlated with testosterone production, and I'm curious whether that extends to DSD females.
Although I plan to google when I have time, I'll also read any recommended DSD links, especially those that discuss testosterone production and absorption in DSD females (and especially compared to XY men and XX women).
Again, I appreciate the thoughtful response.
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Just realized you wrote "lack of male typical facial hair" so ignore my question about whether you meant atypical.
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L post.
I didnt even bother explaining why your comment about shaving is stupid because it's so obvious. Whatever, at least youve changed your mind.
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Equality.
Efficient
Just collapse men and women sports. One open division.
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Mutola's gender was questioned throughout her career.Even caster semenya said that maria "is like me" when she was being coached by her.
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jeff tallon wrote:
Mutola's gender was questioned throughout her career.Even caster semenya said that maria "is like me" when she was being coached by her.
Don’t confused Armweak with the facts. He appears to be allergic to them.
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Jimmkner wrote:
jeff tallon wrote:
Mutola's gender was questioned throughout her career.Even caster semenya said that maria "is like me" when she was being coached by her.
Don’t confused Armweak with the facts. He appears to be allergic to them.
Evidence she is intersex? Otherwise you have no facts. Semenya's comment proves nothing. "Like me" could mean anything.
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The governing body allowing this has eliminated legitimate woman from competing fairly. I actually enjoy watching women's distance running more than men's races over the last few years as I witnessed more fearless front running from women. My point was to illustrate the absurdity with the situation.
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Armstronglivs wrote:
Jimmkner wrote:
Don’t confused Armweak with the facts. He appears to be allergic to them.
Evidence she is intersex? Otherwise you have no facts. Semenya's comment proves nothing. "Like me" could mean anything.
Read the post above yours. Anyway it does not matter. Mutola was likely intersex but surely you are not so stupid as to believe that Semenya was the first?
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Jimmkner wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
Evidence she is intersex? Otherwise you have no facts. Semenya's comment proves nothing. "Like me" could mean anything.
Read the post above yours. Anyway it does not matter. Mutola was likely intersex but surely you are not so stupid as to believe that Semenya was the first?
The post above mine proves nothing about Mutola. But you don't know what proof is. While there may have been intersex athletes before Semenya - that you are unable to name - that does nothing to show that Mutola was intersex. You just bandy names around. Not only are you an arrogant prat you are as thick as pigsh*t.
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Women’s events are a protected delineated group. This needs to extend across all events, not just 400 to 1500. The fact that Mboma and Masalingi moved down and are in the top group and Niyonsaba up with the same top finishers result (Rod Dixon, Paul Cummings and others have proven milers can run longer distances) makes this complicated. Let’s just have a DSD 800 in Diamond League, let Caster and others in, Mboma and Masalingi ran 400 and 800 before, and keep women’s races fully female.
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Please provide irrefutable proof about the science which PROVES that Christine Mboma is intersex. I am waiting.
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Armstronglivs wrote:
Jimmkner wrote:
Read the post above yours. Anyway it does not matter. Mutola was likely intersex but surely you are not so stupid as to believe that Semenya was the first?
The post above mine proves nothing about Mutola. But you don't know what proof is. While there may have been intersex athletes before Semenya - that you are unable to name - that does nothing to show that Mutola was intersex. You just bandy names around. Not only are you an arrogant prat you are as thick as pigsh*t.
You should be banned as your bile contaminates so many threads.
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Jimmkner wrote:
Please provide irrefutable proof about the science which PROVES that Christine Mboma is intersex. I am waiting.
"Her" testosterone levels exceed the IAAF guidelines. By definition that is intersex (or trans gender - and she is not that).
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sanootage wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
The post above mine proves nothing about Mutola. But you don't know what proof is. While there may have been intersex athletes before Semenya - that you are unable to name - that does nothing to show that Mutola was intersex. You just bandy names around. Not only are you an arrogant prat you are as thick as pigsh*t.
You should be banned as your bile contaminates so many threads.
But that would mean the views of morons like yourself would never be challenged.
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