Cam Newton Cut by Patriots

That’s the topic being discussed, hybrid quarterbacks not having much success. They flash, like Vince Young winning rookie of the year and playing in the pro bowl, but fade as defenses find ways to thwart them if they can’t actually effectively read defenses and deliver an accurate pass.

ESPN has the stats by year.

Last year cam was ranked 30 out of 33 in the nfl in QBR.

In his earlier years he was ranked around 14th position behind guys like Matt Schaub. So, basically he’s a mid level NFL starting quarterback when he was doing well. And at the bottom of the league recently.

dan carlin hardcore history man wrote:

That’s the topic being discussed, hybrid quarterbacks not having much success. They flash, like Vince Young winning rookie of the year and playing in the pro bowl, but fade as defenses find ways to thwart them if they can’t actually effectively read defenses and deliver an accurate pass.

I still wouldn’t say that Cam hasn’t had much success. I also wouldn’t put him in the same category with RGIII or Vince Young. I think he’s significantly better than those guys. Cam also has a cannon compared to both of them. Yes, he’s been banged up lately and not had success the past two years, but I still think he can be an All Pro QB again.

llort_vbo wrote:

dan carlin hardcore history man wrote:

That’s the topic being discussed, hybrid quarterbacks not having much success. They flash, like Vince Young winning rookie of the year and playing in the pro bowl, but fade as defenses find ways to thwart them if they can’t actually effectively read defenses and deliver an accurate pass.

I still wouldn’t say that Cam hasn’t had much success. I also wouldn’t put him in the same category with RGIII or Vince Young. I think he’s significantly better than those guys. Cam also has a cannon compared to both of them. Yes, he’s been banged up lately and not had success the past two years, but I still think he can be an All Pro QB again.

Read my post above. The stats are there. He’s objectively and measurably a mid level starter earlier in his career and bottom of the league recently. This is based on actual production at the position, including rushing yards.

ReallybroReally wrote:

Mac Jones to start as a rookie.

Let's quit pretending that race didn't drive this decision by the Patriots. The Patriots are a notoriously white team, with white QBs.

llort_vbo wrote:

I still wouldn’t say that Cam hasn’t had much success. I also wouldn’t put him in the same category with RGIII or Vince Young. I think he’s significantly better than those guys. Cam also has a cannon compared to both of them. Yes, he’s been banged up lately and not had success the past two years, but I still think he can be an All Pro QB again.

This is just a guess, but I think Belichick disagrees with you. All pro might be tough in a league with Rodgers, Brady (still), Allen, Mahomes, Ryan - shall I go on? I doubt he could even make the Pro Bowl, as loose of a standard as that is given how low they have to go to find players to play.

Love or hate him, he was undeniably a very, very gifted athlete.

Anyone got any good guesses of what track and field event(s) Cam Newton could have been best at?

Some of his measurements and time from 2011 NFL combine.

Height 6'5"/1.96m

Weight 248

40 yards 4.59

Vertical 35"

Broad jump 10'8"

A Cam Newton, at say 190-210 lbs, I would venture to guess he could have potentially achieved:

Sub 50 400m

6'8"+ high jump

23'+ long jump

48'+ triple jump

50'+ shot put

175+ discus

Stult wrote:

ReallybroReally wrote:

Mac Jones to start as a rookie.

Let's quit pretending that race didn't drive this decision by the Patriots. The Patriots are a notoriously white team, with white QBs.

Bullsh*t. The Patriots offense is designed for a QB that can throw strikes out of the pocket and that's that's what Brady did for them for about 20 years. I was kind of surprised when they signed Newton because he seemed like a bad fit for them.

The Patriots have been the most successful NFL team in history, so white or black, they've been signing the right players.

ReallybroReally wrote:

llort_vbo wrote:

I still wouldn’t say that Cam hasn’t had much success. I also wouldn’t put him in the same category with RGIII or Vince Young. I think he’s significantly better than those guys. Cam also has a cannon compared to both of them. Yes, he’s been banged up lately and not had success the past two years, but I still think he can be an All Pro QB again.

This is just a guess, but I think Belichick disagrees with you. All pro might be tough in a league with Rodgers, Brady (still), Allen, Mahomes, Ryan - shall I go on? I doubt he could even make the Pro Bowl, as loose of a standard as that is given how low they have to go to find players to play.

Cam would not be the first NFL QB to have a second act. ‘Could’ is not the same as ‘will.’ That being said, he’s a generational athlete and I just don’t think he’s done. Whereas some of the other guys on this list lacked the mental acuity to succeed in the position after they had been figured out, Cam has it.

Cam Newton is surprisingly high on those charts considering that relative to the 21st century NFL, he was extremely inaccurate until his last full year in Carolina, often under 60% or just above, and threw for very limited yards, only once surpassing 4000 yards. He also threw for more than 24 touchdowns in a year only once. His teams had a winning record only three years. That's not all on him. Fouts was on a losing Chargers team. But that's your key qb requirement, winning. He also had double figure interceptions every year he had substantial playing time. Yards per attempt were not terrible but 7.2 or under all but three seasons (three good years for that stat). His high yards per game was just 242.5. His passer rating only went above 89 twice. 31,698 yards passing, not too special in the modern game.

Now you get to rushing where he shines for a quarterback, average 5.0 yards per carry, 38.6 yards per game, high of 47, 5398 yards rushing, and 70 touchdowns, which is great, a high of 14 his rookie year. He fumbled 61 times in his career.

All told, that doesn't look like a hall of fame quarterback to me. The rushing touchdowns are valuable but the rushing as a whole doesn't add that many yards to make up for the mediocre passing. To give you an idea, 23 passers completed at least 65% of their passes in the NFL last year. Cam was often around 60% in his career (but good last year). Only three guys were under Dwayne Haskins' 61.4%, Sam Darnold, Carson Wentz, and Drew Lock. You don't want to be around Sam Darnold numbers (59.6). Or another look, 24 qb's last year had higher ratings than all but Cam's two best years, many far higher. 17 qb's had ratings of at least 95. 16 qb's had at least 26 touchdown passes. Cam had one season in which he threw more than 24 (35). So, I don't see him as a Hall of Fame level quarterback.

dan carlin hardcore history man wrote:

ESPN has the stats by year.

Last year cam was ranked 30 out of 33 in the nfl in QBR.

In his earlier years he was ranked around 14th position behind guys like Matt Schaub. So, basically he’s a mid level NFL starting quarterback when he was doing well. And at the bottom of the league recently.

He was never a great passer. He was a mediocre passer who was also one of if not the best runner at the QB position. His 2015 season showed how good he good be.

Compare him to Lamar Jackson who can actually throw the ball and run just as good or close. But....it's still very early for the UofL alum and I expect defenses to figure him out as they have all running QBs.

Alan

dan carlin hardcore history man wrote:

So, basically he’s a mid level NFL starting quarterback when he was doing well.

There’s a long list of mid-level QBs who won the MVP, right? 🙄

Here's just one guy (with off the field problems), who after four years has numbers that dwarf Cam's best years:

Deshaun Watson

Passing

Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS QBrec Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD TD% Int Int% 1D Lng Y/A AY/A Y/C Y/G Rate QBR Sk Yds NY/A ANY/A Sk% 4QC GWD AV

2017 22 HOU qb 4 7 6 3-3-0 126 204 61.8 1699 19 9.3 8 3.9 85 72 8.3 8.4 13.5 242.7 103.0 83.5 19 116 7.10 7.19 8.5 7

2018* 23 HOU QB 4 16 16 11-5-0 345 505 68.3 4165 26 5.1 9 1.8 215 73 8.2 8.5 12.1 260.3 103.1 61.8 62 384 6.67 6.87 10.9 5 5 16

2019* 24 HOU QB 4 15 15 10-5-0 333 495 67.3 3852 26 5.3 12 2.4 191 54 7.8 7.7 11.6 256.8 98.0 70.5 44 257 6.67 6.63 8.2 3 5 16

2020* 25 HOU QB 4 16 16 4-12-0 382 544 70.2 4823 33 6.1 7 1.3 221 77 8.9 9.5 12.6 301.4 112.4 70.5 49 293 7.64 8.22 8.3 16

Career 54 53 28-25-0 1186 1748 67.8 14539 104 5.9 36 2.1 712 77 8.3 8.6 12.3 269.2 104.5 174 1050 7.02 7.26 9.1 8 10 55

8 comebacks, 10 game-winning drives - full summary

Stult wrote:

ReallybroReally wrote:

Mac Jones to start as a rookie.

Let's quit pretending that race didn't drive this decision by the Patriots. The Patriots are a notoriously white team, with white QBs.

So are you saying the other teams are racist by not playing white players?

the macdaddy og yo wrote:

dan carlin hardcore history man wrote:

So, basically he’s a mid level NFL starting quarterback when he was doing well.

There’s a long list of mid-level QBs who won the MVP, right? 🙄

I’m providing production statistics based on on the field performance. That’s where he was ranked. It is what it is.

Who knows about MVP voting and opinions. Millions of people think Kim Kardashian is great. Who knows how people think?

Runningart2004 wrote:

It’s been interesting seeing these hybrid QBs over the years fly high at first then come crashing down to the reality of the physical toil of the NFL.

RG3

Cam

Who else?

Alan

Willie Beamon

If Newton could have been an effective QB for Belichick he would not have been cut, you can take that to the bank.

He was awful last year, and apparently Belichick had seen enough.

No way this is due to race, and saying that the Pats prefer "white QB's" because Brady was there for 20 years is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard.

Brady is the GOAT, and he's in the discussion for GOAT of all GOATS.

U. Raynuss wrote:

If Newton could have been an effective QB for Belichick he would not have been cut, you can take that to the bank.

are you saying bill belichick knows more about football than lets run experts ?

Uprising wrote:

Another vegan wing nut bites the dust. "Don't eat meat? Get beat!"

Is that you YMMV? Are you still alive? We're worried about you.

Cam was a beaten-up mess and went vegan to try and heal. Didn't really help, but he was no worse after going vegan.

A couple notes on other comments:

RG3 was special before he got injured. Don't include him with QB disappointments. He was not yet good at reading defenses, but he was really special that year. It's criminal how they let him get plastered.

The comment about the black quarterbacks not being intelligent is silly. HOFer Terry Bradshaw plays up being dumb, but actually is not very smart. Ditto Brett Favre. I'm not sure how you judge how smart any of these QBs are anyway.